This transcript details an interview between Alex Epstein and Jordan Peterson discussing Epstein’s “Energy Freedom Platform.” Epstein argues that a pro-human approach to energy policy requires embracing fossil fuels, while criticizing the flawed assumptions behind net-zero initiatives and unreliable renewable energy sources. He highlights the increasing energy demands of AI and data centers as evidence for the continued need for fossil fuels. The discussion also covers Epstein’s “Energy Talking Points” initiative aimed at providing easily accessible arguments for policymakers, and his work on developing a comprehensive, pro-freedom energy policy framework. Finally, Epstein emphasizes the need for rational cost-benefit analyses in environmental regulations and a reassessment of nuclear energy policies.