He’s good. He’s really good. In particular, Pete Buttigieg is good at making connections between pragmatic stuff like infrastructure and the most important parts of our lives — caring for people we love and making full use of ourselves. This is a conversation for anyone thinking about the next election and what it means to “make the trains run on time.”

You can watch this conversation — and about 50 more you might really love — anytime you like at PBS.org/kelly.

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