We continue our conversation with Bill and Kathy Town, longtime mentors and leaders who have spent nearly four decades in ministry and marriage. Their honesty, humility, and deep faith invite us to see leadership, marriage, and family through a lens of grace, reality, and intentionality—not pressure or perfection.We talk about the early missteps, the pressures of pastoral life, the seasons of exhaustion, and the painful wake-up calls that reminded them both: boundaries matter, identity matters, and intimacy requires honesty. Their willingness to name their limits, regulate their pace, and build rhythms that protect their souls offers practical wisdom for every leader who feels pulled in too many directions.We also look closely at the heart of their marriage and parenting—keeping the main thing the main thing, protecting their relationship above all other commitments, inviting their daughters into meaningful conversations, and creating a home defined by laughter, humility, and emotional safety. And now as grandparents, they share how love expands but boundaries shift, and why respecting their adult children’s parenting choices is part of walking with integrity. Their story is a reminder that longevity in leadership and marriage is possible when we choose humility, identity in Christ, and grace-filled connection over image, performance, or urgency.==========================================================Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com.   Until next time, be the leader you would follow! Grateful for you,Jeff & Terra To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to: INSTAGRAM@TerraMattson@Living_Wholehearted@MyCourageousGirls FACEBOOK@WeAreLivingWholehearted@MyCourageousGirls WEBSITESLivingWholehearted.comTerraMattson.com MyCourageousGirls.com RESOURCESShrinking the Integrity Gap Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in GraceDear Mattsons Helping Moms Raise Confident DaughtersSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/living-wholehearted-podcast-with-jeff-and-terra/donations