Yes, we made it happen. Willie Harcourt-Cooze and Joe Thomas meet at last for a festive, lamb-based chat with Ed and James. Merry Christmas!

(And this episode was recorded before Tier 4 was announced.)

Buy Willie’s chocolate at www.williescacao.com

Recorded and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive Productions.

Artwork by Paul Gilbey (photography and design) and Amy Browne (illustrations).

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