S16 E7: Michael Parenti (Exiled Surfer) on Bitcoin Politics & Rock N Roll
The life of Michael Parenti is truly extraordinary, as he witnessed two significant cultural movements that changed the word. Growing up in Malibu, he went to school with the likes of Sean Penn and Charlie Sheen, met a young Madonna before she was an international star, hung out in Bob Dylan's house, and saw live acts like Nirvana and Red Hot Chilli Peppers long before MTV made them famous.
As an internet entrepreneur, he became involved with the Bitcoin Foundation and also saw the early days of Ethereum. He attended hundreds of events, spoke with some of the people who are completely unapproachable today, and found himself in the middle of something magical, naive, and revolutionary.
In this episode, we talk about the backstage politics that Michael Parenti witnessed and what it was like to believe in the cyhpherpunk dream more than a decade ago.
Time stamps:
Intro (00:00:48)
Why Michael Is Exiled (00:01:54)
Mainstream Adoption (00:02:11)
Price Manipulation? (00:07:02)
Debate on Bitcoin's Future (00:10:03)
Ethereum as a Layer for Bitcoin (00:11:22)
Bitcoin's Limitations (00:14:30)
Government Surveillance and Compliance (00:16:21)
Michael's Personal Experience with the Government (00:19:22)
Reality of Government Power (00:21:21)
Citrea (00:22:44)
Room Mates at Pizza Day (00:24:34)
Networking at Paralelni Polis (00:26:02)
Ethereum as a Sidechain with WBTC (00:28:16)
Bitcoin Foundation Experiences (00:32:06)
Concerns Over Bitcoin's Direction (00:35:17)
New York Agreement (00:37:28)
Lightning Network & Disappointment (00:41:10)
Bitcoin's Value and Community (00:45:13)
Layer Two Labs and Bitcoin Maximalism (00:47:23)
Challenges of Rootstock (00:52:17)
Blockstream & Fear of Change (00:54:23)
Incentives and Bitcoin's Stagnation (00:57:31)
Self-Custody Challenges (01:00:38)
Satoshi's Naivety (01:05:19)
Zcash Is Satoshi’s Vision (01:07:28)
Historical Context of Bitcoin (01:12:10)
Mt. Gox and Early Exchanges (01:14:55)
Vitalik Buterin's Contributions (01:16:36)
Toxicity in Bitcoin Development (01:18:35)
Legal Uncertainty in Bitcoin (01:22:00)
Ethereum's Development Model (01:24:19)
Bitcoin's Future and Upgrades (01:29:09)
SideShift (01:30:35)
NoOnes (01:32:28)
Dysfunction of Bitcoin Communities (01:34:06)
Bitcoin Foundation: The Good, The Bad, The Corruption (01:35:36)
Social Media's Role in Bitcoin's Evolution (02:01:10)
Wikileaks and Bitcoin Intersection (02:02:09)
Early Bitcoin Community Dynamics (02:04:20)
Cypherpunks Mailing List Involvement (02:05:03)
Wikileaks and Decentralized Media (02:06:45)
Bitcoin as a Response to Financial Blockades (02:12:34)
Transition to Bitcoin Foundation (02:15:55)
Reflections on Bitcoin's Growth (02:18:08)
Community Dynamics Across Cryptocurrencies (02:20:42)
Samson Mow (02:23:28)
Inflation and Daily Costs (02:27:00)
Crisis of Conscience (02:28:56)
Leaving Paralelni Polis and Event Fatigue (02:29:49)
Celebrity Encounters in Malibu (02:30:36)
Transition from Bitcoin to Ethereum (02:39:02)
Music Journalism, Television & Editing (02:43:24)
Crypto's Emergence (02:48:54)
The Evolution of Crypto Communities (02:52:27)
Government and Capital Accumulation (02:53:28)
Bitcoin's Role in the Future (02:56:58)
Critique of Stablecoins (03:02:37)
The Need for Multiple Cryptocurrencies (03:03:57)
The Absurdity of Bitcoin Narratives (03:05:02)
The Toxicity of Crypto Tribes (03:09:25)
Disillusionment with Cryptocurrency (03:20:43)
The Future of Bitcoin (03:24:05)
The Death of the American Empire, Climate Change & Economic Realities (03:25:19)
Disruption and Change (03:31:05)
Discussion on Realpolitik (03:34:00)
Julian Assange's Impact (03:34:56)
Podconf (03:36:10)
Future of Bitcoin Forks (03:38:10)
Redistribution of Satoshi's Coins (03:39:53)
Privacy Magazine (03:43:17)
Is Peter Todd Satoshi Nakamoto? (03:43:50)
Identifying Satoshi (03:46:22)
Early Bitcoin Experience (04:03:09)
MultiBit Wallet (04:04:41)
Advice to Younger Self (04:05:25)
Bitcoin Foundation Today (04:06:00)
Memes and Education (04:12:24)
Influence on Ethereum Community (04:15:50)
Regrets About NFTs (04:18:09)
Personal Aspirations vs. Wealth (04:23:18)
Trust Fund Kids in Los Angeles (04:24:50)
Nabila Yacht DJing (04:27:51)
Classic Cars vs. Luxury Vehicles (04:28:49)
Selling Family Heirlooms (04:34:07)
Being Neighbors with Mick Fleetwood and Chris Carter (04:34:40)
Disinterest in AI (04:36:43)
Focus on Privacy Tech (04:39:39)
Concerns About Universal Basic Income (04:41:55)
Geopolitical Implications of Technology (04:44:23)
Fascination with Physics (04:51:00)
Optimism for the Future & Aging (04:54:00)
Cultural Nostalgia (04:58:00)
Opportunities in the Internet Age (05:05:05)
Historical Perspective on Human Advancement & Optimism (05:10:20)
Current State of Layer Two Solutions (05:16:30)
Concerns about Bitcoin's Transaction Fees (05:19:27)
Future of Decentralized Exchanges (05:22:39)
Incentives for Bitcoin Holders (05:24:49)
Bringing Use Cases to Bitcoin (05:27:17)
Impact of Other Blockchains on Bitcoin (05:29:43)
Gold vs. Bitcoin Narrative (05:31:16)
Physical Gold Demand (05:34:00)
Lexus or Supra? (05:36:37)
Bitcoin Flipping Gold? (05:37:30)
Privacy Conference Planning (05:44:02)
Live Viewership Metrics (06:09:09)
Bob Dylan (06:12:45)
Tom Petty Anecdote (06:19:09)
Nirvana in Vienna (06:26:37)
Desert Sessions (06:28:17)
Early ZZ Top Albums (06:29:06)
Stevie Ray Vaughan (06:31:11)
Chess Records and Iconic Artists (06:31:44)
Meeting Little Richard (06:32:50)
Video Production Beginnings (06:32:50)
Gary Busey’s Music (06:35:04)
Malibu Music Scene (06:36:23)
The Doors Film Project (06:37:42)
Meeting Robin Williams in Acting Class (06:41:00)
Oingo Boingo and Danny Elfman (06:43:17)
Decline of Western Civilization (06:45:52)
Managing the Surf Punks (06:46:16)
Fear and Punk Scene (06:47:09)
Ramones Concert Experience (06:50:27)
Talking Heads and Ramones (06:51:03)
David Bowie’s Influence (06:52:40)
A Teenage Adventure with Led Zeppelin (06:54:07)
David Lee Roth in Hollywood (07:04:39)
Pink Floyd Tour Experience (07:10:47)
Record-Breaking Podcast (07:12:02)
First Big Concert Experience (07:14:47)
Introduction to Hip Hop (07:17:08)
Family's Music Background (07:22:21)
Meeting Donald Fagen of Steely Dan (07:26:38)
David Bowie Records (07:30:46)
Critique of Modern Music (07:38:13)
Music Journalism Experience (07:41:19)
Bitcoin Takeover Podcast Theme Song (07:41:59)
Girlfriend's Comment (07:43:11)
Regret Over 1965 Fender Twin Reverb (07:43:28)
Mesa Boogie Story (07:44:31)
Promotions (07:49:24)
Proof of Work Summit (07:50:05)
Difficult Questions at Conferences (08:00:06)
Experience in Music Journalism (08:01:29)
Cultural Judgment and Values (08:02:00)
Observations on Events (08:02:35)
Podcast Purpose (08:03:02)
American Exceptionalism (08:03:52)
Interpersonal Interactions (08:04:06)
Personal Growth and Change (08:04:40)
Tribalism and Online Culture (08:05:04)
Decentralization and Freedom (08:06:56)
Critique of Monero Community (08:08:00)
Record Podcast Duration (08:09:44)
As an internet entrepreneur, he became involved with the Bitcoin Foundation and also saw the early days of Ethereum. He attended hundreds of events, spoke with some of the people who are completely unapproachable today, and found himself in the middle of something magical, naive, and revolutionary.
In this episode, we talk about the backstage politics that Michael Parenti witnessed and what it was like to believe in the cyhpherpunk dream more than a decade ago.
Time stamps:
Intro (00:00:48)
Why Michael Is Exiled (00:01:54)
Mainstream Adoption (00:02:11)
Price Manipulation? (00:07:02)
Debate on Bitcoin's Future (00:10:03)
Ethereum as a Layer for Bitcoin (00:11:22)
Bitcoin's Limitations (00:14:30)
Government Surveillance and Compliance (00:16:21)
Michael's Personal Experience with the Government (00:19:22)
Reality of Government Power (00:21:21)
Citrea (00:22:44)
Room Mates at Pizza Day (00:24:34)
Networking at Paralelni Polis (00:26:02)
Ethereum as a Sidechain with WBTC (00:28:16)
Bitcoin Foundation Experiences (00:32:06)
Concerns Over Bitcoin's Direction (00:35:17)
New York Agreement (00:37:28)
Lightning Network & Disappointment (00:41:10)
Bitcoin's Value and Community (00:45:13)
Layer Two Labs and Bitcoin Maximalism (00:47:23)
Challenges of Rootstock (00:52:17)
Blockstream & Fear of Change (00:54:23)
Incentives and Bitcoin's Stagnation (00:57:31)
Self-Custody Challenges (01:00:38)
Satoshi's Naivety (01:05:19)
Zcash Is Satoshi’s Vision (01:07:28)
Historical Context of Bitcoin (01:12:10)
Mt. Gox and Early Exchanges (01:14:55)
Vitalik Buterin's Contributions (01:16:36)
Toxicity in Bitcoin Development (01:18:35)
Legal Uncertainty in Bitcoin (01:22:00)
Ethereum's Development Model (01:24:19)
Bitcoin's Future and Upgrades (01:29:09)
SideShift (01:30:35)
NoOnes (01:32:28)
Dysfunction of Bitcoin Communities (01:34:06)
Bitcoin Foundation: The Good, The Bad, The Corruption (01:35:36)
Social Media's Role in Bitcoin's Evolution (02:01:10)
Wikileaks and Bitcoin Intersection (02:02:09)
Early Bitcoin Community Dynamics (02:04:20)
Cypherpunks Mailing List Involvement (02:05:03)
Wikileaks and Decentralized Media (02:06:45)
Bitcoin as a Response to Financial Blockades (02:12:34)
Transition to Bitcoin Foundation (02:15:55)
Reflections on Bitcoin's Growth (02:18:08)
Community Dynamics Across Cryptocurrencies (02:20:42)
Samson Mow (02:23:28)
Inflation and Daily Costs (02:27:00)
Crisis of Conscience (02:28:56)
Leaving Paralelni Polis and Event Fatigue (02:29:49)
Celebrity Encounters in Malibu (02:30:36)
Transition from Bitcoin to Ethereum (02:39:02)
Music Journalism, Television & Editing (02:43:24)
Crypto's Emergence (02:48:54)
The Evolution of Crypto Communities (02:52:27)
Government and Capital Accumulation (02:53:28)
Bitcoin's Role in the Future (02:56:58)
Critique of Stablecoins (03:02:37)
The Need for Multiple Cryptocurrencies (03:03:57)
The Absurdity of Bitcoin Narratives (03:05:02)
The Toxicity of Crypto Tribes (03:09:25)
Disillusionment with Cryptocurrency (03:20:43)
The Future of Bitcoin (03:24:05)
The Death of the American Empire, Climate Change & Economic Realities (03:25:19)
Disruption and Change (03:31:05)
Discussion on Realpolitik (03:34:00)
Julian Assange's Impact (03:34:56)
Podconf (03:36:10)
Future of Bitcoin Forks (03:38:10)
Redistribution of Satoshi's Coins (03:39:53)
Privacy Magazine (03:43:17)
Is Peter Todd Satoshi Nakamoto? (03:43:50)
Identifying Satoshi (03:46:22)
Early Bitcoin Experience (04:03:09)
MultiBit Wallet (04:04:41)
Advice to Younger Self (04:05:25)
Bitcoin Foundation Today (04:06:00)
Memes and Education (04:12:24)
Influence on Ethereum Community (04:15:50)
Regrets About NFTs (04:18:09)
Personal Aspirations vs. Wealth (04:23:18)
Trust Fund Kids in Los Angeles (04:24:50)
Nabila Yacht DJing (04:27:51)
Classic Cars vs. Luxury Vehicles (04:28:49)
Selling Family Heirlooms (04:34:07)
Being Neighbors with Mick Fleetwood and Chris Carter (04:34:40)
Disinterest in AI (04:36:43)
Focus on Privacy Tech (04:39:39)
Concerns About Universal Basic Income (04:41:55)
Geopolitical Implications of Technology (04:44:23)
Fascination with Physics (04:51:00)
Optimism for the Future & Aging (04:54:00)
Cultural Nostalgia (04:58:00)
Opportunities in the Internet Age (05:05:05)
Historical Perspective on Human Advancement & Optimism (05:10:20)
Current State of Layer Two Solutions (05:16:30)
Concerns about Bitcoin's Transaction Fees (05:19:27)
Future of Decentralized Exchanges (05:22:39)
Incentives for Bitcoin Holders (05:24:49)
Bringing Use Cases to Bitcoin (05:27:17)
Impact of Other Blockchains on Bitcoin (05:29:43)
Gold vs. Bitcoin Narrative (05:31:16)
Physical Gold Demand (05:34:00)
Lexus or Supra? (05:36:37)
Bitcoin Flipping Gold? (05:37:30)
Privacy Conference Planning (05:44:02)
Live Viewership Metrics (06:09:09)
Bob Dylan (06:12:45)
Tom Petty Anecdote (06:19:09)
Nirvana in Vienna (06:26:37)
Desert Sessions (06:28:17)
Early ZZ Top Albums (06:29:06)
Stevie Ray Vaughan (06:31:11)
Chess Records and Iconic Artists (06:31:44)
Meeting Little Richard (06:32:50)
Video Production Beginnings (06:32:50)
Gary Busey’s Music (06:35:04)
Malibu Music Scene (06:36:23)
The Doors Film Project (06:37:42)
Meeting Robin Williams in Acting Class (06:41:00)
Oingo Boingo and Danny Elfman (06:43:17)
Decline of Western Civilization (06:45:52)
Managing the Surf Punks (06:46:16)
Fear and Punk Scene (06:47:09)
Ramones Concert Experience (06:50:27)
Talking Heads and Ramones (06:51:03)
David Bowie’s Influence (06:52:40)
A Teenage Adventure with Led Zeppelin (06:54:07)
David Lee Roth in Hollywood (07:04:39)
Pink Floyd Tour Experience (07:10:47)
Record-Breaking Podcast (07:12:02)
First Big Concert Experience (07:14:47)
Introduction to Hip Hop (07:17:08)
Family's Music Background (07:22:21)
Meeting Donald Fagen of Steely Dan (07:26:38)
David Bowie Records (07:30:46)
Critique of Modern Music (07:38:13)
Music Journalism Experience (07:41:19)
Bitcoin Takeover Podcast Theme Song (07:41:59)
Girlfriend's Comment (07:43:11)
Regret Over 1965 Fender Twin Reverb (07:43:28)
Mesa Boogie Story (07:44:31)
Promotions (07:49:24)
Proof of Work Summit (07:50:05)
Difficult Questions at Conferences (08:00:06)
Experience in Music Journalism (08:01:29)
Cultural Judgment and Values (08:02:00)
Observations on Events (08:02:35)
Podcast Purpose (08:03:02)
American Exceptionalism (08:03:52)
Interpersonal Interactions (08:04:06)
Personal Growth and Change (08:04:40)
Tribalism and Online Culture (08:05:04)
Decentralization and Freedom (08:06:56)
Critique of Monero Community (08:08:00)
Record Podcast Duration (08:09:44)
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