Charlie talks artwork with Steve and the progress he has made. He talks about sending work to a registered charity, football and ripped jeans.  He gives his view on Stephen Sayers moving to Tenerife and talks about Shamima Begum, Strangeways prison, the riot and Alan Lord.

Alan Lord documentary now streaming at: https://gum.co/EIqJz
New Bride of Bronson documentary streaming at: www.brideofbronson.co.uk