Continuing our discussion from the main episode, we go deeper into the denialism mess with Pavlos and ask ourselves what COVID and society's response might tell us about a possible revolutionary horizon. How do approach the real issues in the world without seeing like a state? We also discuss a second article written by an Italian collective, Wu Ming, that has a different take on the backlash against mandates: https://illwill.com/conspiracy-and-social-struggle

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