In this episode Saul and Jolene discuss if the GM is a Player in the game that the GM is running.  Saul believes that the GM certainly is while Jolene completely disagrees.          The two hosts go back and forth and neither is able to convince, totally, the other's perspective.          We have decided to change how we name the episodes.  Because the title of our podcast is very long many times the title of the episode is not seen on various podcatcher APs.  So we decided to put the name of the episode first then the podcast name.  Other than that no changes.      As always thanks for listening and all we ask is that you share our podcast.     Music by Cheri,  song You Played Yourself.   Available from Tribeofnoise.com