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In this thought-provoking episode, Malcolm and Simone delve into the unintended consequences of modern feminism and the culture war it has waged. Drawing from the recent example of Anita Sarkeesian, a prominent feminist figure who gained notoriety during the Gamergate controversy, they explore how the pursuit of self-love and societal acceptance has led many women down a path of unhappiness and unfulfillment. Malcolm argues that while feminists may have won the short-term cultural battle by securing positions of power and influence, they have ultimately lost at life. He contends that the mantra of self-care and the elevation of personal comfort above all else has created an ideological system incapable of providing genuine satisfaction or meaning. Simone shares her own experiences with the feminist movement and how the emphasis on self-care and self-acceptance made her mentally weaker and less resilient. She discusses the dangers of filling one's life with trivial concerns when there is no higher purpose or goal to strive for, leading to a sense of emptiness and despair. The couple also touches on the toxic nature of extreme ideologies, drawing parallels between the modern feminist movement and historical examples of imperialism and cultural supremacy. They argue that the desire to erase cultural diversity and impose a singular worldview is not only misguided but ultimately destructive to both individuals and society as a whole. Throughout the conversation, Malcolm and Simone emphasize the importance of living a life dedicated to something greater than oneself, finding meaning and satisfaction through the pursuit of worthy goals and the cultivation of strong relationships. They discuss the need to educate the next generation, particularly their own children, about the pitfalls of the feminist movement and the importance of making decisions based on outcomes rather than ideologies. Join Malcolm and Simone as they explore the complex legacy of modern feminism, the perils of self-absorption, and the path to a more fulfilling and purposeful life.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Anita Sarkeesian was driving the anti Gamergate movement.

 Well, recently she had a birthday party where she married herself. Oh dear. I think we undervalue how much humans who live good lives are rewarded within their lives for those decisions and that I think we focus too much on.

Rewards that happen posthumously, like heaven, hell,

people who are choosing these ultra progressive life paths, you don't need to wait till they're dead to be laughing at them. Wait until they're 35, okay?

It could be worse. At least you're not Anthony Burge. It could be worse. At least you're not Anthony Burge.

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: I did something very naughty while I should have been working through lunch. Instead of creating new NDC accounts on Lufthansa Spark platform for all of our [00:01:00] agents, which I did on a delayed basis, I instead wrote a Red Suzy Weiss's new article in the Free Press called, Ooh,

Malcolm Collins: what's it on?

Kel

Simone Collins: Durell is the New Way to Self-care ourselves to death. And it is about a, an ongoing trend predominated by women related to this concept of self care also highly related to what is referred to as bed rot or bed rying or Soft living, which is basically I went quiet quitting as well. It's related to that which is basically just about giving up, indulging in your feelings.

Not working hard, doing the bare minimum, and doing whatever you do that makes you feel good is justified and right. And it was an interesting article, I hadn't heard of it. Did

Malcolm Collins: it come from an ancient Scottish thing or a modern Scottish thing? Hercule Dercle

Simone Collins: is a Scottish term for like, hunkering down in your bed and kind of being cozy.

There are other terms.

Malcolm Collins: I never heard [00:02:00] of it when I was in Scotland, just so people know, I got my undergraduate degree in Scotland and lived there for four years.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but like, there are no, there are no Scottish people in St. Andrews, I don't, very few because it's really hard to get into that university.

About two thirds,

Malcolm Collins: I think. Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah, because there's a lot of English people. Yeah, I think it's about the third Scottish when I went there, at least. Just so people know, it's now the top rated university in the UK, higher than Oxford and Cambridge. Oh man. And yeah, really cool. I'll say,

Simone Collins: but I think this is very related to the topic that we're about to discuss, which is that feminists have won the culture war, but they've lost it life.

And I, I mean, I'm reading this article and I'm thinking. Okay. So

Malcolm Collins: I think it's actually wider than that. So I'm going to expand the topic of this episode to include another one that I wanted to do. Okay. Which was really made clear to me about why leftists are so miserable. When I was in a, in a, another recent episode where we were talking about, and I was appreciating you and I was going through old Facebook posts, you had mentioned that I had made our life [00:03:00] like the end scene from Gladiator.

This is their heaven. You know, he goes to a farm where he grows food and he has beautiful fields and he has a kid and a wife and they play together.

 it once.

Make us believe it again.

Malcolm Collins: Right? And that historically speaking, This would have been considered heaven. The life that we live every day today would have been considered heaven.

And yet leftists would consider it this almost impossible toil, [00:04:00] because we wake up every day with meaning and believe we have to work. And I think it's not appreciating. They're like, but my life is harder than my parents. I don't get things as easily as my parents got things. I don't have to, you know, plan as much.

I don't, I have to sacrifice more. And it's like, yes. And then you have like your great great grandparents, like looking on at horror and you in this infinitely privileged state, you know, not constantly struggling to survive being like, Things are marginally harder than the previous generation. My grocery bills are high.

And it's, it's shown something to me that really horrifies me about where the left has gone, which is that people who live life in a pursuit of pleasure, will never know peace because they don't have things that really matter in life that they strive for. And they can be like, well, the right doesn't either.

And I'm like, you do not [00:05:00] listen to like rightist music. You know, one of our favorite songs is by dirt. For example, if you haven't seen it, go watch it. It's a great song. It makes me cry every time. It makes you cry every time. It really does though. Yeah, it's a great song. But it's a great example of like, coalition, coalition of rightist values that are, are being taught to people, which is very similar to these, you know, Roman like values.

The goal is to have your plot of land that you get after the military service, and then you spend your life Raising a family there and that time with them. That's not punishment. Like in leftist memes. Cause I love following, I'm following like all of the Facebook groups for like the antinatalists and stuff like that.

Here's one of the memes from the group with a stork, delivering a guy, a baby, and him, , looking sad and saying, no, I ordered a lifetime of doing whatever I want. And it's like, can you imagine any poverty higher? Than just doing whatever you want whenever you want to do it any [00:06:00] hell greater than a life lived in search of personal indulgence because in the end that never satisfies anyone. They have literally created a Tantalus as punishment for themselves. For those who forget Tantalus is punishment. It was whenever he would reach down to sip water, the water would recede from him and whenever he would lift up to. Grab a fruit, the fruit branches would pull away from him. , And that's what looking for satisfaction in pleasure is like when you reach from it, it pulls away from you.

It's the antithesis of satisfaction.

Malcolm Collins: They act like, Oh kids, what a burden. I don't get to travel the world anymore. I don't get to you know,

Simone Collins: bro, have you even traveled? I mean, Oh,

Malcolm Collins: man. Like every time I leave the house now, like at this age, I'm like, I used to like traveling when I was younger. Now I just want to be back home with the kids.

It's such

Simone Collins: a hit of life quality whenever we travel.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Back on the farm. Right. And so this is really [00:07:00] interesting to me when I view it in a culture war perspective and where this was really elevated for me and where I really began to pay attention to this was the, the fate. Of Anita Sarkeesian, so people who don't know Anita Sarkeesian, because I had to remind Simone of this, I was like, do you know her?

Because I found a fact about her that really shocked me recently. Man, I don't know anyone. So, during Gamergate 1 now we're in Gamergate 2, Electric Boogaloo, our episode on that just went live today, which I absolutely love. But Gamergate 1 Anita Sarkeesian was really driving the anti Gamergate movement.

And she ran a podcast called Feminist Frequency and she ran a number of like YouTube things where she would just like lie all the time. I mean leftists always do this. One of my favorites was She had video clips from a game where, where the character was like piling corpses of hookers who he had [00:08:00] killed.

But this wasn't like part of the game. This was something, it was like, it was like a Grand Theft Auto or something. This is something she had chosen to do with her character film and then whine about. And GamerGate 1 was a really interesting moment because it was like, when the left Fully began to embody Like, what before would have been the extremist, like, Christian parent.

Like, ah, video games are horrible, they're from the devil, and they're hurting my kids, and we need to get rid of all games, and all sexy tracer butt, and every character who looks remotely arousing to men, and everything, everything must be made clean and nice. And she had taken over this place.

Perspective, but did it in a very lefty sort of a fashion. Well, recently she had a birthday party where she married herself. Oh dear. And it made me realize [00:09:00] something that I think we undervalue how much humans who strive and successfully live good lives are rewarded within their lives for those decisions and that I think we focus too much on.

Rewards that happen posthumously, like heaven, hell, stuff like that, you know, like, the Westboro Baptist church, apparently they used to tell, even with glee to reporters, Oh, well, you're going to go to hell and you'll be burning in hell. And I'll be laughing then I'm like, to those of our young viewers.

People who are choosing these ultra progressive life paths, you don't need to wait till they're dead to be laughing at them. Wait until they're 35, okay? And they marry themselves. But I want to talk about some of the ideas they were promoting and why it obviously led to this, and sort of how hollow this is.

The marrying of herself is an Affirmation of self love, which we have always promoted as being terrible [00:10:00] idea on the show. Loving yourself for who you are right now is a terrible thing. If you want to admire yourself, admire yourself for who you have the potential to become. This is the same as your partner.

You should never, ever be buried to somebody who loves you for who you are. Oh my gosh. that's what so many of

Simone Collins: these movements are about. Quiet quitting and. Hurkle Durkle, which is just being cozy in bed much longer than you're supposed to be. And spending all your time in bed and quiet, like it's, it's in soft life to a soft living.

All of this is accepting yourself for who you are and even making yourself worse. And then liking that even more. It's hard for me to wrap my head around it.

Malcolm Collins: So I'm going to read you a quote from Anita Sarkeesian that was posted in 2016. So it might've even been older than that. So this gives you an idea of what she was talking about long before her life path led her to this sad outcome.

Having [00:11:00] stories that center women encourages us to see women as people who are important to their own lives and intrinsic humanity rather than defining them in relationship to men. So she wanted a world where women's importance was who they were in and of themselves. And this teaching hurts young girls because it leads them to view men oppositionally.

Instead of the way that all successful cultures do historically, it's to view women and men as a team. Okay? We work together. And this is also one of the problems with the Red Pill movement. A lot of these Red Pillers who went out there and were just sex, sex, sex, some of them got out of it and they ended up finding partners, and now they recant their old ways.

Like, like good long term partners. Like, the guy who wrote The Game, I think, actually did this. I think he's in a monogamous marriage now. I'll look this up and do a, A post update on this,

Yup. [00:12:00] Neil Strauss is now in a monogamous Marriage. with a kid and regrets that lifestyle as does almost everyone who pursues it, it it's Al's bad. Like this ultra red pill lifestyle is as bad in as unsatisfying as the ultra lefty lifestyle. It is a hell that people impose upon themselves. Because they are living lives without honor, and not for something greater than themselves. When you live a life only for yourself, you don't get that Glade leader send off. Everyone's like, well, that was. That was a stupid waste of everyone's time when you die.

Malcolm Collins: but he's like, yeah, everything I said there was a terrible idea. Don't do that. I tried it. It doesn't, it's not that it doesn't work in terms of getting sex.

It's just that that life isn't satisfying. But she never learned that. She spent her entire life in search of self glorification and gratification. And people can say, oh, that's so sinful. But it's not [00:13:00] sinful. Like so many of these sins that are passed to us by old religious traditions, Aren't sins because, you know, some you know, arbitrary God is jealous of where we're putting our attention.

They're sins because they destroy yourself, they destroy your own soul, they destroy your own potentiality, your own place in this world. And then they lead you into the sad cry fest where for a birthday, like, we don't even celebrate our birthdays anymore, Simone. The idea of celebrating, like, why, why would we?

You might mention and I'll like I don't know what, like, what do you get on a person, like a massage or something? We certainly don't care about, like, We

Simone Collins: exchange gifts and We'll try to make the other person's favorite meal. That's kind of it, but that's normal for adults, isn't it?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but this is because our every day, and this is something you've mentioned recently to me, is almost as good as life can be.

Simone Collins: Yeah, it really, I don't know how to make it better.[00:14:00]

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but I'd love your thoughts on this because you were in this sort of feminist culture early on when you were younger. I think you certainly would have identified as a feminist in college. And I was

Simone Collins: certainly encouraged to engage in self care. And all of it made me mentally weaker and worse. So I think the problem people don't think about enough is when you don't have something bigger to worry about, all the tiniest things make you worried.

So if your focus in life is not on something like your career or. Running the world or whatever it might be, right. Raising a family, then it's going to be on, Oh, I don't know if I can take a shower today, or I'm so nervous about leaving the house to go put mail in the mailbox. And I think that everyone can relate to the fact that everyone fills up their day with [00:15:00] the same general.

And it obviously like, if you're in a war scene or, If you are subject to huge amounts of stress or you're sick, it's different. But on average, everyone fills their lives with the same amount of stress and with concern and with thought and work. But when you, the president of the United States isn't necessarily Working that much harder or that much busier or whatever, then someone who is at home doing absolutely nothing like a housewife, who's an empty nester, who has absolutely nothing to do.

So both of them are like, Oh man, like, I have to do this and I have to do that. And then I have to get this. And they're all worrying about things constantly. But the housewife empty nester at home, is worrying about her own anxiety levels and what she's going to eat next and how she's going to make yoga class work and how she's going to deal with that woman that she hates so much at the checkout line.

Whereas the president is worried about, Oh gosh, how should I do the drone attack? Should I not kill the people? Should I kill the people? [00:16:00] And then how do I deal with this press nightmare? But it's, it all fills the same cup. We're not that different in the end. And what I worry so much about this, this female empowerment.

being turned into self care is that people are now throwing away these beautiful chalices that have so much potential and just taking these dumb little paper cups and filling them with absolute piss and that is their lifestyle.

Malcolm Collins: It's a paper club of piss. of a chalice of holy water. Yeah. And they're just sitting there drinking it.

No. And that is the truth. I think the key of what causes this is the mantra of self care. The mantra that my life should be dedicated to me being comfortable with my existence. And when you elevate your own self acceptance to the highest level of importance within life, and then secondarily society's acceptance of you Everything you do matters so little, because you know that everything you do is for personal affirmation, as opposed to a thing of higher value.

You have [00:17:00] created an ideological system which is appealing to people in the moment, but that cannot, intrinsically cannot provide any meaningful satisfaction. Because you always know personally, the full amount of satisfaction that has been delivered from your pursuits. And we've talked about this in other videos, but it's a very important concept.

When you dedicate yourself to any form of hedonism, hedonism, we don't just mean general, like any form of like maximizing your own emotional subset you know, and experience the full value of everything you do. And you realize how trivial that value is, and you begin to hate yourself more and more and more and more of what you do becomes a delusional hamster wheel of trying to make your life feel like it has value.

And you end up then, as you preach this, destroying the lives around you. A great example of this was Anita Sarkeesian is Anthony Dirk. [00:18:00] You Could Be Anthony Dirk has got to be one of my favorite songs on the internet. I'll play a little clip of it here, but you guys really need to check it out.

It is a great song about a male feminist who was left by his wife after they were in an open marriage for another guy who she was banging instead of him and took his Wii U.

It could be worse. At least you're not Anthony Burge. It could be worse. At least you're not Anthony Burge. Be the head writer for a game studio. Enjoy an open relationship with your wife. End up divorced with her taking your wheel. They don't rhyme, but it goes, they supply. You might be Anthony Burch You might be Anthony Burch If you're ever feeling sad Just remember, at least you're not Anthony Burch [00:19:00] A message from V The Musical

Malcolm Collins: And he is one of his favorite songs. possessions with a framed letter from Anissa Tarkisian saying something like, you are more tolerable than most men.

And it's like, gosh, like part of me wants to feel pity for him, but I know The toxicity of his ideology and feeling pity for these ultra leftists I think is equivalent to feeling pity for nazis and stuff like that because they believe Their cultural beliefs to be superior to other people's cultural beliefs and they want to eradicate Cultural diversity from this world and diversity from this world And eradicate people who they see As being savages, you know half child half animal they really are the modern example of imperialist culture, That it is sickening to me, anyone who allows this to invade their mind, but we are fortunate and that this very ideology, this very toxic [00:20:00] ideology ends up destroying them.

And then when they, you know, when these women hit like 45 and they're no longer able to use their sexuality to get ahead, which is what Gamergate 1 was about. It was about women Using their sexuality to get ahead in the workplace and then, you know, sleeping with potential people they were interviewing and stuff like that.

And then acting as if that was totally okay. And they didn't have an unfair advantage. But once they can no longer use that because they blinded themselves to these advantages they had, and that's what Gate and Murgate was, was it was women in the gamer game media community taking soldering iron to their own eyes.

To not see how much their own sexuality was benefiting them. Because they didn't see that. They didn't see how much they would suffer when they lost their attractiveness. They didn't see how irrelevant and discarded they would immediately come Become from the perspective of the very community. They thought they were building because this community was [00:21:00] completely built around their sexual value.

And it's so funny that that is what modern feminism became is elevating. and hiding that women were using their sexual value to choose their careers. And now that they can't do that anymore, they have nothing left. And they're living these lives of abject sadness that is so far removed from this, you know, heaven at the end of Gladiator.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but also what's sad about this and you can deride them all you want is They were told they were doing the right thing. They were doing the ethical thing They were very very deeply misled and there were the Nazis being

Malcolm Collins: heard. I don't think they were told they were doing the right thing They should have applied critical thought and they didn't humans

Simone Collins: Does they now this is going to be very hard for you to understand, but most humans do not do this naturally and you do either.

I think it's a mixture. When you look back at your genetic [00:22:00] heritage, you come from a long line of people who question norms and the status quo. But then on top of that, a lot of things happen to you throughout your life that confirmed the fact that you cannot and should not trust anyone. So, you are in a very rare circumstance where both dispositionally and in terms of your education, you have been told to question and to not trust.

The vast majority of people are not like that. Either dispositionally, or dispositionally. Or in terms of how they've been taught to succeed in the world and most people are rewarded for going along with the rest of society and punished severely for not, you will still even are punished severely for deviating from people's preferred views and it can still hurt you.

It just. You've learned enough in life and you personally probably just couldn't wrap your head around thinking differently, but no, I, I, I, I mean, we're determinists, right? [00:23:00] We, we, we think that people are kind of sort of stuck in their mechanical futures through a mechanistic view of the world, but I mean, so it is their fault, but it's not their fault that it's their fault.

Does that make sense? Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So to word this another way, cause a lot of people can be like, well, that's so uncaring look, if someone is like a child murderer and they're like, yeah, but I was great as a kid. And that's why I'm a child murderer. I'm like,

Simone Collins: yeah, my parents were murderous.

Malcolm Collins: My parents were abusive to me.

And we're like, okay, well you might've inherited this, but I hate you in the same way I hate your parents. Yeah. And you are still

Simone Collins: dangerous to society and not doing good things. Well, no, but

Malcolm Collins: I also think deserving of punishment. I think that Anita Sarkeesian is deserving of the terrible life she lives. She earned it from her lack of personal industry.

And she, you know, it's called a bonfire of the vanities for a reason. People burn in a bonfire of their own vanity. And this is something that [00:24:00] we as a society used to communicate and accept. And the feminists didn't know this and they did win the short term culture war, right? Like they got the positions of power in society, but they lost themselves.

They spent their own existences. Because they were fighting for an ideology that was fundamentally evil. It was an ideology that believed itself to be naturally superior to all other ideologies. They believed it had a manifest destiny to erase all cultural diversity in the world to, to be the only ideology.

And they're like, no, and I'm like, okay, but you do want to spread your ideology to Africa. You do want to spread your ideology to East Asia when they're like, yeah. But like only the good parts. And I'm like, yeah, but the good parts to you is literally your entire world perspective. You'll let them keep their holidays, but that's about it.

And they're like, well, we're really saving them. We're saving them from savagery. And it's like, yeah, that's what imperialists have always thought. You, you [00:25:00] are disgusting human beings. And at least the imperialism of the old days brought prosperity to the areas that it colonized. Which it did, just objectively did.

Simone Collins: Yeah, whereas this culture seems to shred prosperity, which is really sad.

Malcolm Collins: But this new prosperity saps regions of their industrial productivity. You

Simone Collins: mean this new movement saps the

Malcolm Collins: regions of prosperity? Well, no, it's this new iteration of the same movement. I mean, it is European imperialism. It is a movement that comes from the European cultural value sets and sees itself as naturally superior to other groups.

It is the secular imperialism. That drove Europe that has been reformed as what we now call progressivism and wokeism. And yeah, it, it is interesting to me to see this, but it's a little satisfying. And I think when you contextualize this, when you show your kids this, and you're like, look, these people are like marrying themselves and this is not a [00:26:00] happy outcome.

You know, they, they are they're going to die was like 60 cats. And then the cats are going to eat their corpse because well, that's sustainable,

Simone Collins: isn't it? And that would cut down on

Malcolm Collins: love the most don't love them and just see them as a carry on source of food. And for people, what was that about? It's the Tibetan

Simone Collins: sky burial of.

single progressive women. Yeah. I, I, you know, let's just make it a thing. Let's make it cool.

Malcolm Collins: We need you to have that. That would be a good t shirt. Progressive, progressive feminist, Tibetan sky burial. And it's a woman being eaten by her cats. If we ever get really big, we can, we can make a little shirt about that.

The progressive sky burial. Gosh, but no, I mean, it's, it's sad. It's sad, but it is just, and they won the short term cultural battle, but long term. I mean, I really think Gamergate's where things begin to turn around, as we talked about in the other video. And we'll [00:27:00] do another video at some point on Gamergate.

It really exposes the left's core weakness. And Gamergate 2 does as well. It exposes how you can finally beat progressivism.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, I think the important thing is that when our daughters are old enough, we just need to show them that the outcomes are probably not in line with what they want.

And we have no problem with them adopting whatever values they want after they have weighed and measured the evidence and everything they've learned. But. I think focusing our kids around outcomes instead of ideologies is key and just making sure that they make better

Malcolm Collins: decisions. Yeah, I really hope so.

I hope that we're able to protect them because I do worry for them. Going into this world, there's going to be a lot of people, especially if we continue to gain public notoriety, who in the same way they did with Elon's kids, are going to specifically

target

Simone Collins: our kids. Yeah, well, Torsten is just going [00:28:00] to scream about rocks to them because that's all he cares about, so.

It'll be okay.

Malcolm Collins: It's gonna be okay. I know our kids dispositionally, and they are our kids. Yeah, they're not. I do not think they are gonna be They're gonna find these arguments particularly alluring. Yeah.

Simone Collins: It's all good. I love you, and I love our

Malcolm Collins: kids. That would be a fun thing. I really want to begin to bring our kids into these podcasts as soon as they're cognizant enough.

And I think that I'd really love them to troll progressives who are trying to brainwash them. Like go with them along and then we can bring into these conversations into our podcasts that people can see, because I know that this is going to happen as the movement begins to spiral down, as they all realize they've destroyed their lives, they're going to increasingly and aggressively Target the children of people like us to try to bring them down as well.

And the more that we can bring attention to how intentional this action is and how pathetic these individuals are and how pathetic their lives [00:29:00] are. I think it's really important in terms of framing for the next generation. That they shouldn't go this path.

Simone Collins: Agreed.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway. I love you, Simone. Do you have any final thoughts on feminism or your contextualization of it in a modern context?

Simone Collins: I just don't think feminism is what it is. It's like that line from the princess bride. I don't think. That means what you think it means, whatever. I can't, I'm not quoting it right, but that's kind of what

Malcolm Collins: it is. I think that's a great way to put it. It's a movement that when you ask us members, they say, we want equality.

And I go, then why are none of your key members fighting for equality? Why did they laugh at men? Why did they say men should die? You know, you said also

Simone Collins: feminine should create good outcomes for women. And I'm not, I'm not seeing that happening. Really? No,

Malcolm Collins: it ruins women's lives.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So that's, that's my final thought is that it, it is a misleading term, [00:30:00] like so many misleading terms.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I love you and I want our daughters to have great lives. And I think that couples modeling would happy and loving relationships where both partners are treated with respect. Is the, the true thing that you should be doing if you really care about the future of women, not marrying yourself at a sad birthday party.

Simone Collins: Maybe it was a great birthday party and marrying yourself as a single person is it makes a lot of sense because when you actually think about weddings and marriages, they're really just for the women. So I don't know why women just don't marry themselves when they want something indulgent. And then.

actual marriages are more just about, oh, let's create a favorably positioned strategic alliance. That's a very

Malcolm Collins: sexist thing to say, Simone.

Simone Collins: How much planning did you do?

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I love you to death, Simone. Our wedding was great and you did a great [00:31:00] job putting it together.

Simone Collins: Thank you. But as you know, like it's a woman thing, so maybe we should just decouple weddings from Marriage.

I don't know.

Malcolm Collins: I have a good one.

Simone Collins: Me too.

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