This is our unabridged interview with Oliver Burkeman.

In an age full of life hacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?

"The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."

In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.

Show Notes:

• Similar episodes:
• Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung
• The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer
• The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz
• Resources mentioned in this episode
• A Testament of Devotion by Thomas Raymond Kelly
• Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong"
• Man’s Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl
• PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
• Transcription Link

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