Today, Avery chats with Lise Vesterlund and Laurie Weingart, two of the four authors behind The No Club: Putting a Stop to Women's Dead-End Work. In this episode, we get into non-promotable tasks, from serving on committees to onboarding new hires and the classic 'office mom' jobs such as planning the company holiday party. These thankless extra tasks add up over time—women are doing 200 hours of them! And they're holding us back from reaching our true potential at work.

So, how can we learn to decline tasks that don't serve our careers, and challenge outdated systems that are getting in the way of getting promoted? Tune in to find out.

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