Stephen Kotkin, Kleinheinz Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, joins the show to discuss how both sides have lost the Ukraine War, and the risks of various routes to peace.

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    •      02:47 Pressuring Putin

    •      12:50 A new path

    •     17:07 Avoiding a debacle   

    •      32:43 Friends

    •     38:30 Realignment

    •      46:58 Articulating strategy

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