In this episode, Chan and I explore the vital topic of de-evolution in the Black church. We discuss our history, experience, and family involvement in the Black Church. We discuss the American history of the Black Church from their work as pastors, community leaders, and activists. 

We also delve into the history of the Black church and its role in promoting social justice and discuss how we can continue to build on this legacy to create a more peaceful and equitable society. We also discuss where we are now. 

Tune in to this thought-provoking conversation on de-evolution in the Black church.

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