Why start a podcast about magic? Prior to the internet, in real life, these topics were typically at best niche and eccentric, and at worst, dangerous. As a millennial, for most of my adult life, magic was the subject of fiction, and anyone who couldn't understand that seemed mostly harmless, but not exactly the company you keep. When the imaginary boundaries between philosophy, spirituality, and magic were finally revealed to me for what they really were – imaginary – my compulsion to explore magic became insatiable. What, then, is one to do when the topic of real magic is verboten in the "enlightened" polite society of their day? Where to congregate? Where to converse? How to find others who share this passion, who don't need a conceptual disclaimer recitation at the top of any conversation? If there is one good thing I can say about the internet, it's that it has become this place. A shortcut to magical community in the modern era. I started a podcast about magic to have the kind of conversations that I can't, for the most part, in my normal life. And to meet people who wanted to join in, inform, and stress-test my own ideas. Today, I'm thrilled to bring you a conversation with two friends I've made along the way. Darragh Mason is the writer of the excellent book Song of the Dark Man, and the host of the Spirit Box Podcast, whose influence and approach to exploring and normalizing a wide breadth of magical and mystical topics was fundamental to the creation of this show. C.R. Sanders is the producer of the Discovery show Alien Encounters: Fact or Fiction, and a passionate traveler and magical seeker. He was also one of the first online magical connections that I had the opportunity to hang out with in real life. I love that this show can serve as a platform for me to interview writers and practitioners about their work and practices. I think that way we can all learn more together, and deepen the web of communication in the way we hunger to. I also love that I get to have the opportunity to have folks on to catch up with, shoot the shit, and share the rabbit holes we might otherwise be going down alone. SHOW NOTES: Darragh's Website: https://www.darraghmason.com/index The Song of the Dark Man: https://www.innertraditions.com/author/darragh-mason Spirit Box Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirit-box/id1504757824 The Sigil Engine: https://www.sigilengine.com C.R.'s Website: https://lalanomicon.com/ Alien Encounters: Fact or Fiction: HBO MAX