We’re sharing the fourth episode of the Hard Truths podcast series.

In this episode, a conversation between two key Democratic lawmakers on their journey to Congress.

Guest: Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) and Rep. Mondaire Jones (D-NY).

Credits: "Axios Today" is produced in partnership with Pushkin Industries. The team includes Niala Boodhoo, Carol Wu, Nuria Marquez Martinez, Dan Bobkoff, Sara Kehaulani Goo, Alex Sugiura and Michele Salcedo. Music is composed by Evan Viola. You can reach us at podcasts@axios.com.