Jamie is joined by Geo Maher to discuss his new book, "A World Without Police: How Strong Communities Make Cops Obsolete." They discuss the origins of mass incarceration, the debate around "non-reformist" reforms, and alternative models of community safety. Also, the million dollar question: how do abolitionist politics fit into the over-arching project of building communism?

W/ bonus questions on the communes of Venezuela and the Zbellion!

Buy the book:

https://www.versobooks.com/books/3783-a-world-without-police

Andy's essay criticizing the politics of safety:

https://illwill.com/gimme-danger

Outro: Noname - Song 33

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