What happened in 1983 that affects how we manage our emergence from the Covid-19 lockdown? In this episode, Anne & Kevin talk, and talk, and talk, and finally Joshua Dalton of Modern Money Australia gets a word in, and then they talk some more about why all the government spending in response to the Covid-19 is not creating a debt we will have to pay back. Send feedback on this episode to radiommt@gmail.com.We delve into a discussion paper by Percapita, which can be found here, https://percapita.org.au/our_work/some-facts-about-debt/