This podcast recorded before the impeachment vote. As Republicans distance themselves in horror from Donald Trump’s violent sedition, can we finally conclude that yes, he was a fascist all along? Will the GOP or Johnson pay any price for their years of fawning before Agent Orange? Special guest Philip Stephens of the Financial Times joins us to talk about his new book Britain Alone: The Path from Suez to Brexit and the strange psychodrama of Britain’s search for a foreign policy identity. Plus, when is it right to kick extremists – and extremist presidents – off popular social networks like Twitter, MySpace and Club Penguin?  

• “What we have to remember is that Trump is a failed populist and failed autocrat.” – Yasmeen Serhan
• “It doesn’t matter that Trump is too inarticulate and dimwitted to understand what fascism is. He was unable to deliver it.” – Ian Dunt
• “Cabinet ministers just don’t know what it’s like to run out of money on a Thursday.” – Philip Stephens
• “The most vital thing we need in the next few years is for the Right to start policing its own norms.” – Ian Dunt
• “Blair would tell us pro-European journalists that he was absolutely pro-EU that we were going to join the Euro. And then he’d tell Trevor Kavanagh from The Sun that we’d never, ever give up sterling…” – Philip Stephens

Presented by Dorian Lynskey with Yasmeen Serhan and Ian Dunt. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producers: Jacob Archbold and Jelena Sofronijevic. Audio production by Alex Rees. OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production.

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