“Permissionless, permissionless, permissionless.” Yo & Gigi take a walk in Madeira. Recorded during SEC-07. Listen on sovereignengineering.io In this dialogue: Gigi’s AI setup: voice prompts via vibeline to brainstorm, brainstorm to implementation plan, cron job that tackles one to-do every 20 minutes, builds overnight One agent per project: dergigi.com/projects, each agent spins up with an nsec and gets to work Nihao: Gigi’s skill for spinning up Nostr identities from the terminal Claude Code “Mythos” codewords leaked – swearing at your models actually helps Planner vs developer vs tester: three distinct personas, separation of powers for AI-assisted development Separate sessions for questions vs implementation, like separation of powers “Are you human?” vs “Are you useful?” – the only question that matters PoW + WoT = useful. “Sats are just difficulty-adjusted PoW.” Dialogical development – Vervaeke on why dialogue, not monologue, is how you actually think Opponent processing – Vervaeke: competing forces sharpen each other DiaLogos and the importance of walking dialogue Opus maximalism ended yesterday: Anthropic cutting off OpenClaw, now broke, looking at cheaper models and local hardware Routing models: OpenRouter and Routstr now route between thinking and simple models automatically Yo’s Sovereign Engineering journey: showed up to SEC-04 with no programming experience, three weeks’ notice, on a climbing trip visa SEC-04 was the vibe coding big bang: Paul showed the way, Calle tried to build a Cashu client live, Paul beat him to it Got offered to join the team because “you are the one who would actually be crazy enough to move to Madeira” “Safe return doubtful”: the Shackleton ad as a model for SovEng recruitment. No pay, no wages, but glory. Read Endurance by Alfred Lansing. High barrier to entry, no option to leave, “in it for the right reasons” – the SovEng filter “Make the internet a better place.” The actual mission statement. Demoing on Demo Day is not optional The Weekly Loop: Monday Movement, Tuesday Talks, Wednesday Workshops, Thursday build day, Friday Demo Day Nuns Valley – where the walks happen SEC-06 was about identity and signers. Agentic identity: spin up an nsec, now you can talk. The problem of identity in the age of OpenClaw. Fabian’s NIP-17 plugin for OpenClaw: Nostr DMs as a transport layer for agents Yo’s Zig NIP-17 plugin: building the same from scratch in Zig MLS, Pika, and pika for OpenClaw: encrypted group messaging for agent fleets The “social media intern” problem: you gave the keys to someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing Social attestation vs cryptographic proof: Yo’s combined approach where clients only display migration events and users decide out-of-band Gzuuus’s identity continuation proposal: simpler, no key management, just OTS timestamps and preimage commitments. Don’t migrate old notes, just continue Pip’s Vertex demo: purely social web-of-trust metrics already handle identity migration in practice “Identity is a social thing” – Vitor was right about that part PortalSDK & the portal team joining SEC-06: hardware signers meeting agentic identity Nostr, Blossom, nsites, Cashu – everything you need without permission “Permissionless, permissionless, permissionless” – we need a new Steve Ballmer SEC-06 was three weeks only. Learned that three weeks is not enough, just a warm-up. Minimum four, six is the sweet spot. But SEC-06’s energy spilled into SEC-07: first week was one of the most energetic ever, hit the ground running “The gray beards and the big brains actually came!” From Tollgate to NoDNS to fuckips to FIPS: the naming history of the Free Internetworking Peering System FIPS parties, not LAN parties: running on ESP32 radios, TCP, UDP, VPNs, Tor Jonathan came out of retirement, built FIPS from November to February, and now everyone’s building on top of it “DNS is a shitcoin” – direct quote from Jonathan Martti migrating Nostr VPN onto FIPS, Thomas showed a collaborative drawing board running on FIPS + Tor Quake III server running on FIPS nsites becoming the default deployment target for demos Blossom, nsites, NIP-60/61 – all came out of SovEng cohorts and are now in the wild BTC++ coming to Madeira after the summer cohort, first public demo day since SEC-01 Tollgate on balloons: a gorilla Starlink, “we are all choked by the fiber optic cables” Rob’s silent payments over Nostr getting picked up by Sparrow: prototype gist L402 + nginx: Paygress – pay-per-request HTTP monetization “The most awesome thing is everyone has this project in the back of their head they always wanted to build. Once you’re at Sovereign Engineering, there’s no excuse.” Doom deployed on an nsite “After not shitcoining for so long, now I’m addicted to tokens.” “No Solutions, only trade-offs.” People mentioned: Pablo (TENEX, Highlighter, SEC co-founder) Martti Malmi (Nostr VPN, migrating to FIPS) Paul (showed the vibe coding way at SEC-04) Calle (Cashu, live coding at SEC-04) Justin (browser, separate sessions for questions) Jonathan Corgan (FIPS creator, came out of retirement) Gzuuus (identity continuation proposal) Vitor Pamplona (social-only identity migration) Pip (Vertex, web-of-trust identity demo) Arjen (Tollgate, noDNS origins) Pete (Pete’s kid doing games on Nostr) Cobrador (TollGate on balloons) Sir Sleepy (multiple npub power user) Sandwich (nsites resurgence) Thomas (collaborative drawing board on FIPS + Tor) Rob (silent payments over Nostr, picked up by Sparrow) hodlbod (key rotation proposal) Ben from LNbits (hardware Nostr signer) Fabian (NIP-17 plugin for OpenClaw) Projects & tech mentioned: FIPS (Free Internetworking Peering System) Sovereign Engineering (the program itself) OpenClaw / ZeroClaw (agent harnesses, rapid prototyping vs security trade-off) Codex (OpenAI’s coding agent) Routstr (model routing with Cashu payments) Tollgate (mesh network toll gates, now on balloons) Vertex (web-of-trust tools, identity migration demo) Nostr VPN (migrating to FIPS) nsites (Nostr-based web hosting, default demo deployment) Blossom (content-addressed blob storage) Cashu (eCash on Bitcoin) Nihao (skill for spinning up Nostr identities) Pika (MLS-based encrypted messaging for OpenClaw) Paygress (L402 nginx, pay-per-request HTTP monetization) Fabian’s NIP-17 plugin for OpenClaw NIP-17 plugin PR for nullclaw NIP-17 (encrypted DMs) NIP-29 (relay-based groups) NIP-60 / NIP-61 (Cashu wallets on Nostr) Amber (Android Nostr signer) Portal (hardware Nostr signer cards) Primal (signing abilities release) Sparrow (silent payments integration from Rob’s work) BPD5 (key management proposal) Endurance (Shackleton’s expedition, Alfred Lansing) BTC++ (coming to Madeira after summer cohort) Recorded at 943,743.