Jeff Vandrew of Unchained Capital joins me on the show to share his thoughts on Bitcoin for the very long term. Where is it going, and how should you think about using the retirement system to potentially stack more sats? We chat: Where is Bitcoin going over the long term? What happens if more states make Bitcoin legal tender? How big is the market for retirement savings What about just stacking sats outside retirement accounts? Roth vs Traditional IRAs McNulty case and whether it stops self custody Future trends with retirement savings Links: Jeff Vandrew Twitter Unchained McNulty Webinar Unchained Site Sponsors: Swan Bitcoin Hodl Hodl Lend Compass Mining Braiins.com Unchained Capital (code LIVERA) CoinKite.com (code LIVERA) Stephan Livera links: Show notes and website Follow me on Twitter @stephanlivera Subscribe to the podcast