In this episode of MMP, I sit down with my good friend and colleague, Dr. Guillermo DeNovi.Dr. G and I share our pain stories dealing with back pain and deciding to avoid back surgery.We discuss all of our mistakes, and how we discovered the tools of mobility training, mindset, and stress management to navigate the waters of chronic pain.We also announce that we are working on an online program "Reframe Your Pain" that will be a road map and guide to help you navigate and manage your pain.Keep Making Moves,- Clayton@gdenovidpt - Dr. of Physical Therapy, Mobility Specialist, and Pilates Instructor, all around badass and good human being.( @sensoryfit // @rehablabmiami )