SummaryAlan Kohler joins Andrew to discuss the FBI’s counterintelligence division. He is a recipient of the FBI Director’s Award for Outstanding Counterintelligence Investigation. ***FULL SHOWNOTES AVAILABLE HERE***What You’ll LearnIntelligence-Counterintelligence vs. Counterespionage-How the FBI recruit’s foreign agents -Ideological motivations behind spying-Effect of technology on counterintelligenceReflections-Staying grounded under pressure -The value of creativityNotesAlan Kohler (LinkedIn, Website) has been the FBI Assistant Director for Counterintelligence since 2020. Alan and Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) talk all things counterintelligence.***FULL RESOURCES AVAILABLE HERE****SpyCasts*-The FBI & Cyber with Cyber Division Chief Bryan Vorndran, Part 1 (2022)-The FBI & Cyber with Cyber Division Chief Bryan Vorndran, Part 2 (2022)-My Global Career as a Female FBI Agent with Kathy Stearman (2021)-The FBI Way with Counterintelligence Spy Chief Frank Figliuzzi (2021)***FULL RESOURCES AVAILABLE HERE****Beginner Resources*-What We Investigate, FBI (n.d.) [webpage]-FAQ’S, FBI (n.d.) [webpage]-US Opens Counterintelligence Investigation into China Every 12 Hours (Dir. Wray), MSNBC (2022) [video]-What We Know About China’s Spy Agency, Bloomberg Originals (2019) [video]-Hollow Nickel/Rudolf Abel, FBI (n.d.) [Article]-NCSC Mission, Vision, and Goals, ODNI (n.d.) [Website]Glossary: -Counterintelligence: Information gathered, and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage or other intelligence activities-FBI Attaché: a special agent assigned to a U.S. embassy or consulate overseas to liaise with local law enforcement and intelligence agencies. They pursue terrorist, intelligence, and criminal threats with international dimensions. -Occam’s Razor: a rule of thumb theory that states when you are faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest one is probably the correct one. Attributed to William of Ockham, a 14th century English theologian. ***FULL RESOURCES AVAILABLE HERE*** Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices