People don't like change. Famous words of the interviewee in this episode, Hans Hederström, Consultant, Marine Consultancy Group. Listen to Captain Hederström and the impact he has had on the development of maritime safety and especially Bridge resource management. We get to hear the story of how the Center for Simulator Maritime Training, CSMART, in Almere, the Netherlands, came about and how that was a dream come through for Hans. Have you experienced training in a simulator? How did you find it? Would you please let me know what you think of my interview with Hans Hederström? Drop me a line at hello@shippingpodcast.com Thank you for listening.