The rules of business are changing. And those rules are being written by some … unlikely characters.

Andrew McAfee is a Principal Research Scientist at the MIT Sloan School of Management and author of a number of books, including The Geek Way. Mary Long caught up with McAfee to discuss how culture shapes companies – and brings about impressive returns along the way. They discuss:

• The power of “geekiness”
• How Satya Nadella turned Microsoft around
• And why Amazon *wants* to see billion-dollar failures.

Tickers discussed: AMZN, MSFT, AAPL, GOOG, META

Host: Mary Long

Guest: Andrew McAfee

Producer: Ricky Mulvey

Engineers: Dan Boyd, Rick Engdahl

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