The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Bryan Johnson, founder of Kernel, to talk about creating a new brain-measuring device (4:20), why he did it (7:10), launching a new layer of brain data in society (10:00), bringing the product to market (14:30), taking inspiration from Sir Ernest Shackleton (18:10), selling the Kernel Flow for smartphone price (20:40), creating new markets (24:30), funding it himself (28:00), measuring willpower (30:30), his startup as a reaction to Big Tech (35:3), choosing a Shackleton-type voyage over retiring to a farm (39:40), and Danny's brain results (43:10).

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