Before Mark Zuckerberg told the world he was turning Facebook into a Metaverse company, he called Matthew Ball, one of the Metaverse’s chief evangelists. Now Ball tells Recode’s Peter Kafka what Facebook’s move means.

Then Bloomberg Media Group CEO Justin Smith talks about building a $100 million subscriptions business that’s separate - but related to - Bloomberg’s much larger terminal business. And why he loves video - but not podcasts.

Featuring: Matthew Ball (@ballmatthew), writer and Venture Capitalist

Justin Smith (@Justin_B_Smith), CEO of Bloomberg Media

Host: Peter Kafka (@pkafka), Senior Editor at Recode

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