Everyone can see success coming well in advance, right? Of course not. When you're in the fray, you're often just trying to hold things together and get through this project, this week, or this year. It's only in retrospect that success seems inevitable.

On today's episode, I share an essay from the Leader List (sign up for free!) about Mick Jagger's assessment of the future success of the Rolling Stones and how it relates to our own creative work and leadership.

Then, we have a fascinating conversation with Joey Cofone, founder of Baron Fig and author of the new book The Laws of Creativity.

My new book Daily Creative is available now wherever books are sold.

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