If you asked me:

“Brandon, what ideas have most impacted your life?”

I’d give two answers:

• My Find Your Four™ concept that my entire world is built around
• +2 Energy

These two concepts unlock the ability to:

1. Build a life doing the things you love the most 
2. With the people that bring you the most energy

I’ve gone deep on Find Your Four™ already… but today is an opportunity to go SUPER deep on +2 Energy.

On the surface, it’s a very simple concept:

After every interaction you have, rate your ENERGY level from -2 to +2.

You’ll start to notice several things:

• When you feel +2 energy from someone, they most likely feel +2 energy from you
• Therefore, anyone ELSE that YOU feel +2 energy from, that same person will also likely feel +2 energy (and vice versa)
• When you connect +2 humans to other +2 humans, EVERYONE wins

This simple concept has literally created an energy vortex of transformational humans.

So much so that most people that operate in the “+2 World” are often receiving 10 or more incredibly transformational intros every single week.

• Randy introduced me to Jennifer
• I introduced Braxton to Yasmina. 
• I introduced Randy to Yasmina.
• Yasmina introduced Braxton to Jennifer.
• Jennifer introduced Braxton to Randy.

TLDR = everyone got connected to everyone, all off of the basis of +2 energy.

Because this is such an important concept, that I talk about all the time, I wanted a deep dive “Masterclass” on this subject that covers perspectives from how people have implemented this concept.

So, I brought on THREE of the humans most responsible for transforming my life with this concept:

• Randy Molland
• Mark Fujiwara
• Jennifer Hill

I can’t wait for you to listen… and even better IMPLEMENT this concept.

It’s truly changed so many people’s lives, so I’d be honored to introduce it to you ❤️

Show Notes Generated With The Help of AI!

00:00 - Introduction to Beyond Curious and today's guests, Randy Molland, Jennifer Hill, and Mark Fujiwara

Brandon Fong shares a heartfelt intro to three of the most influential people in his life, teasing the transformative “plus two” concept that has reshaped his energy, fulfillment, and relationships. He forgoes formal bios to speak from personal experience, expressing deep gratitude and excitement for this powerful conversation.

01:05 - Introducing Randy Molland and the "Plus Two" concept

Brandon describes Randy as the lead domino in introducing him to both the plus two concept and the other two guests. He highlights how Randy’s energy and connections radically influenced his podcast and life.

02:04 - Introducing Mark Fujiwara and Jennifer Hill

Brandon introduces Mark as a soulful brother in the wealth management space who’s transitioning to purpose-driven “Ikigai” work. He introduces Jen as a spiritually attuned super-connector and founder of OptiMatch, whose influence has shaped countless episodes of the show.

06:30 - The origin of the "Plus Two" concept from a Tim Ferriss podcast

Mark shares how he discovered the plus two energy scale through Jim Collins on Tim Ferriss’ podcast, and how he adapted it to track his energy in 15-minute increments, eventually discovering how deeply negative interactions affected his energy at home with his daughter.

10:49 - Randy on operationalizing the Plus Two concept in networking

Randy recounts how he simplified Mark’s system to assess people energetically after meetings and categorized them in his CRM from minus two to plus two. He used it to build a network where high-energy people introduced others with shared values and ethics.

14:46 - Jennifer Hill on spiritual filtering and the Anti-Asshole Prayer

Jen shares her unique daily practice that includes an "anti-asshole prayer" to spiritually filter her relationships. She emphasizes the importance of intentionality, self-connection, and reciprocity when cultivating plus two relationships.

20:31 - Jennifer’s spreadsheet system for tracking referrals and energy

Jen outlines her streamlined method for tracking over 500 referrals, noting who referred them, the energy they brought, what mattered to them, and how to follow up. She frames it as a scientific and spiritual practice rooted in neuroscience and authenticity.

24:50 - Creating days filled only with Plus Two energy

Mark describes a recent realization where every 15-minute increment of his day was filled with plus two energy. He shares the transformative effect this had on his interactions with his daughter and overall presence.

30:45 - Brandon shares his CAST acronym for identifying Plus Two people

Brandon distills his plus two criteria into the acronym CAST: Curiosity, Alignment, Spirituality, and Transformation. He explains how naming and recognizing these qualities makes it easier to cultivate and introduce kindred spirits.

31:15 - Randy on hiring and team culture using Plus Two energy

Randy explains how he applied the plus two system to hiring, instructing his team to assess interviewees based on energy instead of just qualifications, thereby fostering a culture rooted in values and psychological safety.

34:26 - Google’s Project Aristotle and psychological safety

Jen links the plus two idea to Google's Project Aristotle, which found psychological safety to be the number one predictor of team success. She reiterates that plus two energy fosters safety, trust, and mutual growth.

38:04 - Mark shares a business case study on Plus Two energy at scale

Mark recounts the story of Mike Walder, a manufacturing CEO who dramatically reduced employee turnover by focusing on energy alignment and hiring flow experts—essentially implementing plus two culture without the terminology.

41:33 - Connecting at the 0.8% level for long-term impact

Brandon expands on his "Find Your Four" model, emphasizing that deeper connections happen when people align at the identity level—not just business interests. This leads to enduring, meaningful relationships.

44:27 - The joy of giving out your phone number in a Plus Two world

Randy shares how plus two energy has made him excited—not cautious—about sharing his phone number. He recounts a story where someone skeptical of networking came to love receiving texts from newly introduced plus twos.

50:08 - Mark on serendipitous relationships that evolve beyond business

Mark tells the story of how a transactional intro blossomed into a deep, soulful friendship with Ian, highlighting how plus two connections often unfold in unpredictable and beautiful ways.

54:29 - Final reflections: guard your energy, give generous intros

Randy wraps up with powerful insights on setting energy boundaries with non-plus-twos and leveraging trusted introductions to build credibility and enter high-impact rooms. He describes intros to Brandon, Jen, and Mark as the highest form of social proof.

Links & Resources:

• Episode #182: Hiking 29,029 Feet In 36 Hours, How Money CAN Buy Happiness, & How You Can Go Big To Give Big w/ Randy Molland
• Go Big to Give Big – Randy Molland’s impact-driven venture
• Episode #207: Try These Spiritual Tools To Build A More Fulfilling & Loving Life… w/ Jennifer K. Hill
• OptiMatch – Jennifer Hill’s exited company
• Of Cour5e - Mark Fujiwara's company