On episode 251 of You, Me, Empathy, Maggie Smith and I explore making checklists as a way to keep everything in control (and Maggie’s apt childhood nickname, “checky listy”), intellectualizing our feelings vs. feeling our feelings, why looking back at past versions of ourselves requires self-compassion and self-forgiveness, and Maggie’s stunningly and heart-achingly moving new memoir, You Could Make This Place Beautiful.

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