After co-writing the best-selling book ‘Fundamentals of Data Engineering’, Joe Reis and Matt Housely joined the bros for some much-needed ranting, priceless data advice, and good laughs. So why are we still talking about providing business value and dashboards, even though we don’t really have anything new to say? If there are so many great tools in the data stack, why are we still so troubled? How can we focus more on things like data governance and data quality that’ll actually push the industry forward?