Jeff and Jonny invite Dave Jacobs, Master of Small Church Disaster and host of https://www.smallchurchpastor.com to talk about being the church and doing ministry in our current reality. Dave also is the creator of the Small Church Pastor group on Facebook, with over 5,000 members! Check out Dave's latest book for pastors of small churches - Second Thoughts: 100 Things Small Church Pastors Need To Reconsider!