I talk to Ava farkas, executive director of Met Life on Housing, and Terry Roethlein of Reclaim Pride. Ava talks about how she and her organization and countless tenants helped pass the strongest tenant protections in over a quarter of a century, what the news laws mean for New Yorkers, housing as a human right. Terry talks about queer liberation and the reclaim pride coalition and Sunday's march. Plus Ava and I come out about our struggle with punctuality.