Nischa Heron Phair is an author, researcher, trauma-informed sex educator, and the founder of SomaBody Trauma-Informed Pleasure Work. Her recent book, "Fawn" is the main topic of conversation in today's episode. Jeremie and Bryde talk to Nischa about fawning in contrast to people-pleasing. What purpose does fawning serve and how does it complicate consent? Find more of Nischa at nischaphair.com. The hosts reflect on Jeremie's new glow, underwear rodents, and how long is the average make fuk.

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