Dave Jacobs from www.smallchurchpastor.com joins us to talk about the importance and process of leading change in your church. Dave was live in our Des Moines studio with Jeff and Jonny and this is a lively and encouraging conversation!

Change is something that every pastor must manage, lead, and negotiate in local church ministry. Dave shares some important principles to keep in mind as we lead the change process.

Remarkably, Karl Vaters, from www.newsmallchurch.com actually gets thrown under the bus several times. Our apologies to Karl! Kind of.