What is the role of divine grace in liberal learning? And how should education relate to sources that of learning that may seem counter to the spirit of faith? In this conversation, Prof. Stuart Squires invites us into a consideration of two areas closely related to liberal learning.  First, if liberal learning seeks to bring students out of Plato's cave, what is the role of grace and worship or cultus in that journey?  Second, we take up Tertullian and consider the sources, limits, and purposes of liberal education (in dialogue with John Paul II's Fides et ratio, John Henry Newman, and St. Augustine. Links of Potential Interest: Prof. Stuart Squires, The Pelagian Controversy: An Introduction to the Enemies of Grace and the Conspiracy of Lost Souls Dr. Squires' podcast, "Catholicism and Culture" Josef Pieper, What Does “Academic” Mean?: Two Essays on the Chances of the University Today Pope Saint John Paul II, Fides et Ratio Tertullian, “The Prescription Against Heretics” St. Basil, “Address to Young Men on the Right Use of Greek Literature” Jared Ortiz, “All Things Hold Together: A Great Books Education and the Catholic Tradition” R. R. Reno, “Critical Thinking and the Culture of Skepticism”