On Episode 227 of You, Me, Empathy, Stephanie Wittels Wachs and I explore our messy human capacity for simultaneously feeling like we want to burn it all down, feeling overwhelmingly sad, and feeling like we need to keep fighting. We also dig into gun control, starting a company from a place of grief and desperation (Lemonada Media), and wanting to be truly useful in our empathy.

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Trigger Warning: We discuss gun control, abortion, and death in this episode.