Location: Remotely Date: Thursday 4th February Company: Real Vision Role: Co-Founder & CEO

Unlike almost every other market, in bitcoin, retail had the chance to front-run Wall Street. Since before bitcoin even had a price, the libertarians and cryptographers believed in bitcoin's ability to become the world's most dominant financial system.

Bitcoin has been through many boom and bust cycles that were almost entirely retail-driven, yet the institutions have dominated the 2017 narrative.

MicroStrategy changed the landscape for bitcoin investment and ushered in a new wave of 'smart' money. While there was undoubtedly institutional investment before MicroStrategy, it was their purchase of 21,454 bitcoin in August of last year that opened the floodgates to corporate investment.

But how do these traditional, 'smart' money investors view bitcoin? And what do they think of bitcoiners?

In this interview, I talk to Raoul Pal, macroeconomist and co-founder & CEO of Real Vision. We discuss the differences between retail and institutional investors, what a $1 trillion market cap means, volatility and market cycles.