Jamie Metzl is an author specializing in topics of genetic engineering, biotechnology, and geopolitics. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – Mizzen+Main: https://mizzenandmain.com and use code LEX to get $35 off – NI: https://www.ni.com/perspectives – GiveDirectly: https://givedirectly.org/lex to get gift matched up to $300 – Indeed: https://indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit – Blinkist: https://blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium EPISODE LINKS: Jamie’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl Jamie’s Website: https://jamiemetzl.com/ Jamie’s lab leak blog post: https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/ Hacking Darwin (book): https://amzn.to/3lLqLsM PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: – Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast – Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman – Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman – Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman – Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) – Introduction (07:44) – Lab leak (1:06:18) – Gain-of-function research (1:15:49) – Anthony Fauci (1:25:31) – Francis Collins (1:30:13) – Joe Rogan, Brett Weinstein, and Sam Harris (2:00:10) – Xi Jinping (2:14:41) – Patient Zero (2:27:55) – WHO (2:51:45) – Government transparency (3:13:45) – Likelihood of a cover-up (3:15:34) – Future of reproduction (3:51:12) – Jon Stewart (3:56:31) – Joe Rogan and Sanjay Gupta (4:21:36) – Ultramarathons (4:31:38) – Chocolate (4:39:51) – One Shared World (4:54:54) – Hope for the future