Pence to take aim at 'siren song of populism' as Trump, Ramaswamy surge; He'll stress what he says is his classic conservatism In episode 63 of Season 5 of the Chris Abraham Show, host Chris Abraham delves deep into the intricacies of America's complex political landscape. He argues that the United States is fundamentally a nationalist and populist country, whose political ethos cannot be easily pigeonholed as either rightist or leftist. Instead, Chris contends that Americans from both sides of the political divide are drawn together by a collective sense of nationalism and populism. These driving forces challenge traditional establishment values, such as small government, internationalism, NATO affiliations, and even public sentiments toward countries like Ukraine, Russia, or China. In Chris's view, Americans are much less concerned about these establishment issues and more focused on their immediate sense of national identity and the well-being of their communities. The host refers to various public figures to support his argument. Commentators like Russell Brand, Jimmy Dore, Saagar Enjeti, and Krystal Ball, though ideologically diverse, find common ground on crucial issues. This phenomenon is explained using the "horseshoe theory," a concept suggesting that the extreme ends of the political spectrum are not as disparate as they seem, but in many cases, converge on key ideas. This convergence highlights the complexities and contradictions of American political thought, going beyond simple left-right binaries. Glossary Nationalism: In this context, a strong sense of loyalty and identity toward one's country. It's the essence of wanting to preserve and prioritize American values, culture, and interests. Populism: A political perspective that accentuates the importance of catering to the average citizen's concerns, frequently in opposition to an out-of-touch establishment or elite. Conservatism: A traditional political philosophy that values preserving established norms, traditions, and institutions. Establishment: The existing order or system, comprised of institutions, leadership, and social norms that wield significant influence or power in society. Horseshoe Theory: A theory suggesting that the far left and far right are closer to each other in some respects than they are to their respective moderates, almost like the ends of a horseshoe. Antifa: A political and social movement that stands in direct opposition to ideologies it views as authoritarian, particularly far-right ideologies. GOP: The Grand Old Party, another name for the Republican Party in the United States. Tulsi Gabbard: A U.S. politician whose political orientation defies conventional labels, serving as an exemplar of the populist-nationalist impulse in modern American politics. Chris goes on to discuss Tulsi Gabbard, the Hawaiian politician who embodies the complexities he's talking about. Gabbard is a progressive, nationalist, and populist who has served in the military, further complicating any attempts to neatly categorize her. Mainstream platforms have, as a result, struggled to give her a platform, leading her to alternative media outlets like podcasts and even conservative spaces like Fox News. This journey reflects a larger trend of populists of all stripes turning to alternative platforms as they find themselves increasingly unwelcome in traditional media and political establishments. The show also takes a detour into culture, discussing how populist tendencies manifest themselves in various subcultures and platforms, including but not limited to, 4chan, Reddit, and even occult practices. According to Chris, these are places where unconventional ideas that don't have the endorsement of mainstream society can be freely exchanged. They offer an untapped reservoir for understanding contemporary populism's diverse flavors, from libertarian to libertine and even esoteric or spiritual.