"If the Church is not seeing people go from lost to leading; if we can't see that happening, then the reality is the Church is dying. It may take 70 years, but it's going to die." We have to be about loving people as Christ loved them - where they are but helping them not stay as they are. John Burke, lead pastor of Gateway Church in Austin, Texas, talked with Larry on Hill Country Institute Live about the importance of Christ's followers being on mission with Him every day, wherever they are. Having perfect apologetics and eloquently convincing arguments is not what people in this Post-Christian culture are looking for. It's not about the message we present or the reasons we give; it's about our attitude towards people that woos them. "People can intuitively sense how we feel about them, and that actually makes the biggest difference of all."