Starling Tribune - Season 8 Edition – Batwoman “Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Two” Review (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast) ST259
The Starling Tribune Reporters SP and Chris review the 2019 Arrowverse Crossover Crisis On Infinite Earths Part Two (technically Batwoman Episode 9). The reporters discuss the how appropriate the heroes’ reactions were to Oliver’s death, the quest for the paragons, the questionable character treatment of The Harbinger and Pariah, the confusing nature of Legends Of Tomorrow in the crossover, the special role of Kevin Conroy as Batman in the crossover, Smallville’s Tom Welling and Erica Durance in the crossover and what happened with the Kryptonite, Brandon Routh shinning as Superman, the Crossover end credit logo, the reveal of the Anti-Monitor, the World’s Finest side quest and how the Book Of Destiny was used.
Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two” [Batwoman: Season 1 Episode 9]
Air Date: Monday, December 9, 2019
Director: Laura Belsey
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0069513/?ref_=tt_ov_dr
1x Batwoman / 7x Arrow / 1x The Flash / 2x The Walking Dead
Writers: Don Whitehead
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2453861/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4
2x Batwoman / 2x Stitchers / 13x Smallville
Holly Henderson
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1177855/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr5
2x Batwoman / 2x Stitchers / 13x Smallville
Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-2-batwoman-promo-cw/
Arrow
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Starling City 15-Oct-19 0.84
02 Welcome To Hong Kong 22-Oct-19 0.77
03 Leap Of Faith 29-Oct-19 0.76
04 Present Tense 5-Nov-19 0.62
05 Prochnost 19-Nov-19 0.74
06 Reset 26-Nov-19 0.79
07 Purgatory 3-Dec-19 0.83
Legends Of Tomorrow
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
Supergirl
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Event Horizon 6-Oct-19 1.26
02 Stranger Beside Me 13-Oct-19 0.97
03 Blurred Lines 20-Oct-19 0.92
04 In Plain Sight 27-Oct-19 0.95
05 Dangerous Liaisons 3-Nov-19 0.78
06 Confidence Women 10-Nov-19 0.8
07 Tremors 17-Nov-19 0.79
08 The Wrath Of Rama Khan 1-Dec-19 0.87
09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One 8-Dec-19 1.67
The Flash
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Into the Void 8-Oct-19 1.62
02 A Flash of the Lighting 16-Oct-19 1.27
03 Dead Man Running 22-Oct-19 1.38
04 There Will Be Blood 29-Oct-19 1.48
05 Kiss Kiss Breach Breach 5-Nov-19 1.19
06 License To Elongate 19-Nov-19 1.29
07 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 26-Nov-19 1.17
08 The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 2 3-Dec-19 1.32
09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three 10-Dec-19 1.71
Black Lightning
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Birth of the Blackbird 7-Oct-19 1.16
02 The Book Of Occupation: Chapter Two: Maryam’s Tasbih 14-Oct-19 0.63
03 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Three: Agent Odell's Pipe-Dream 21-Oct-19 0.61
04 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Four: Lynn's Ouroboros 28-Oct-19 0.52
05 The Book of Occupation: Chapter Five: Requiem for Tavon 11-Nov-19 0.71
06 The Book of Resistance: Chapter One: Knocking on Heaven's Doo 18-Nov-19 0.62
07 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Two: Henderson's Opus 25-Nov-19 0.65
08 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Three: The Battle of Franklin Terrace 2-Dec-19 0.60
09 The Book of Resistance: Chapter Four: Earth Crisis 9-Dec-19 0.90
Batwoman
Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating
01 Pilot 6-Oct-19 1.86
02 The Rabbit Hole 13-Oct-19 1.45
03 Down Down Down 20-Oct-19 1.22
04 Who Are You? 27-Oct-19 1.29
05 Mine Is A Long And A Sad Tale 3-Nov-19 1.16
06 I'll Be Judge, I'll Be Jury 10-Nov-19 1.09
07 Tell Me The Truth 17-Nov-19 1.01
08 A Mad Tea-Party 1-Dec-19 1.01
09 Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two 9-Dec-19 1.71
Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters
- What was the overall theme? What was the link to the episode’s name?
- Part 2 of crossover
- Crisis across the multiverse
- Fight scenes and stunts
- Super fight
- Can tell when computer animation is used
- Lois knocks Lex out; Lois and Iris use book; Lois speech to bring 96 back
- Mia and Sara kick Hex’s butt; Sara gives Hex his scar
- Time Travel / Crisis / Cameos
- Earth-74: Snart as Waverider’s AI
- Earth-99: Conroy as Batman; exo suit to walk; older
- Kate and Kara
- Kate died 5 years ago; Beth lived
- Batman - start w/a code, then take a life, then taking others becomes easy; trophies from kills, including Superman
- Batman - gave authorities too much power; has Kryptonite in suit
- Kate kicks Bruce; “There is no hope”
- Earth-75: Metropolis
- Superman killed - Superman dies comic scene
- Earth-167
- Tom Welling! So buff; tosses Krytonite
- Kent farm; gave up powers; has daughters w/Lois
- Punches Lex - his Earth, president
- Not everyone looks the same going from Earth to Earth
- Earth-96: Metropolis
- Routh Superman; Joker gassed the Daily Planet, killing everyone Superman knew
- Luthor tired of killing Superman; has 38 and 96 fight
- Earth-18: North Dakota
- Lazarus Pit
- Jonah Hex tries to stop them; Sara gives him his scar
- Sara - Mia won’t take no for an answer like her father; smart like her mother
- Oliver comes back; Sara tranqed body
- Oliver Queen / Green Arrow - Earth 1
- Sara, Kate, and Kara pour one for him
- Constantine finds parallel universes; finds Lazarus Pit
- Constantine can’t bring Oliver’s soul back b/c antimatter messing w/his magical powers
- Team Arrow
- Supergirl - Earth 38
- We should be able to undo this
- Doesn’t trust Monitor
- Team Supergirl
- Superman - 38 (Hoechlin)
- Superman - 96 (Routh)
- Kingdom Come and from Superman Returns
- Instant chemistry w/Lois
- Batwoman - Earth 1
- Who wants to meet Batman?
- New and unfriendly
- Just started - yet was active last year
- Took Kryptonite from Bruce
- Barry Allen / Flash - Earth 1
- We’re going to use a Lazarus Pit to bring Oliver back
- Team Flash
- Sara Lance / White Canary
- Promised crew to no more crossovers
- Mia - Nyssa told me everything about you and Lazarus Pits
- Ray / Atom
- Paragon detector
- Team Legends
- Earth-74: Snart is this Waverider’s AI - any preference to how you want to die, Harbinger
- Rory’s ship; trying to be a writer; Harbinger, we need you - Rory “You had me at beer”
- Rory - Good with the baby; reads his self-published novel
- Monitor
- Need Ray’s lab
- Need the 7 paragons - beings of the purest will
- Kara - hope
- Kate - courage (bat of the future)
- Sara - destiny
- Superman 96 - truth
- Got Book of Destiny by going back in time; knew Luthor was going to steal the book
- Book of the Guardians - given to Felicity
- Harbinger
- Keeping Diggle in the dark
- Book making heard headaches
- Goes to the Anti-Monitor
- Lex Luthor
- Has a part to play; destiny unfulfilled
- Steals book; mission - kill all Superman
- Pariah
- Thorns:
- SP
- Oliver’s death is devastating, but whole planets have been destroyed
- Felicity (Chris good point)
- Is Lyla Lyla or Harbinger. Diggle at home with JJ?
- Yea I liked Leonard on the Earth-74 Waverider, but why not use the ACTUAL Waverider?
- The book of destiny - who can use it and who cannot? - Not exactly the same book as last crossover
- Epic Superman v Superman fight destruction - they definitely need a glass repair service on Earth-96
- If the Monitor knew who the paragons were - why waste time sending them on their journey to Earth-99?
- Chris
- Where Diggle? He should be here and be a potential voice of reason for not using a Lazarus Pit
- Its a sendoff for Smallville but no Welling in suit
- Blue K theory? (doesn’t really matter now)
- I'm conflicted here it's a good sendoff to Clark. Part of his narrative in the show was that he wanted to me normal at times. I think I built it up too much in my mind. But tbh I'm a bit salty we still never got Welling in the suit
- CG on the Super fight was a bit rough but TV budget so okay
- What’s up with Lyla? Is this going to be explained in the comic tie-in?
- Sidequest the episode. Big stakes from part 1 aren’t really in play here
- Michelle
- Tom Welling not in Superman suit
- Lazarus Pit, really? The multiverse is ending; Barry spends a lot of time on side mission
- Harbinger’s going to Anti-Monitor really not explained
- Roses
- SP -
- “Yea. I kind of promised my crew we’d never have to do another crossover”
- Jonathan crying and being passed off from person to person until Mick stops him
- World’s Finest Teamup to Earth-99. “Bat Of The Future”
- Lois has a thing for ALLSupermen
- Lex Luther’s “Superfriends” comment to Earth-167 Superman
- It was fitting to have Batman in the Batwoman episode
- Superman v Superman fight was made better by two actors: Brandon Routh and Tyler Hoechlin
- For all the Legends Of Tomorrow side characters to be in Crisis, it was good to see Jonah Hex
- End credit symbols are pretty cool
- Chris
- Leo replaces Gideon
- Routh is still a perfect Superman. This is the series they should be pursuing.
- He is from Superman Returns via reference to his son Jason
- Kara eyes up Routh Supes gets told he’s her cousin by Superman prime was fun
- Ray and Supes trading quips on teh Waverider was fun
- Having not watched Cryer in Supergirl I don’t know what he was like previously but he nails it as Lex
- Kevin Conroy is batman even if its evil batman.
- they took my batman and put him in live action. Normally I complain about guggenheim and his need to defy expectations of fans. I actually liked it here. To many people Kevin Conroy is the definitive version of batman. One who never kills. To take this version and have him be a broken version similar to Dark Knight Returns Batman was not what I expected. And seeing Conroy pull off broken Batman both physically and mentally was quite the show.
- Teased me with Batman Beyond when referencing a Gotham from the future
- Smallville
- Didn’t expect to get it.
- Like the nod to Lex as president
- Wish there had been more
- Alternate earth Mick is still delightful as is his babysitting
- Michelle
- Tom Welling!!!! Everyone noticing how buff he is
- Like the Kara/Constantine/Mia teamup
- Kate and Kara develop relationship
- Cryer gets to be more Lex Luthor-y than on Supergirl
- Kate has character development w/interaction w/Bruce
- Brandon Routh gets to show the world why he’s a great Superman and deserves to take over from Cavill
- Episode made me like Superman again
- For reference: Crisis on Infinite Earths: Easter Eggs and References in Part Two (10 Dec 2019) https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/10/crisis-infinite-earths-part-2-easter-eggs/
ARROW NEWS:
- CW Reveals When Arrow, Flash, Batwoman and More Return From Winter Hiatus (Date: 18 Dec 2019)
- Both Arrow and DC's Legends of Tomorrow will air on Jan. 14 to close out the Arrowverse's "Crisis on Infinite Earths".
- Official premiere dates:
- Batwoman: Jan. 19, 8 p.m.
- Supergirl: Jan. 19, 9 p.m
- Black Lightning: Jan. 20, 9 p.m.
- Arrow: Jan. 21, 8 p.m.
- DC's Legends of Tomorrow: Jan. 21, 9 p.m.
- The Flash: Feb. 4, 8 p.m.
- https://www.cbr.com/cw-arrowverse-riverdale-black-lightning-midseason-premiere-dates/
FEEBACK:
- DISCORD: yakk0dotorg 12/12/2019
- Here’s a pretty interesting interview with Brandon Routh on the crossover and his time as Ray and Superman. https://youtu.be/owOvkaOgab0
- FACEBOOK: Anthony McDowell
- I am sad that the Starling Tribune is about to shut down. Y'alls coverage of the show plus the One-shots and other stuff yuns do is fantastic. Just listened to Purgatory and thought that I would mention that on VUDU you can buy the bundles of Invansion and Crisis On Earth-X. They haven't got Elseworlds bundled yet but hopefully they do, and obviously I hope eventually they get Crisis On Infinite Earths bundled too. Thanks, I appreciate y'all, it's been fun listening to y'alls coverage, and looking forward to these last little bit of episodes. Thanks!
- REDDIT (via Chris):
- https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/e9vu1r/crisis_spoilers_star_city/
- Posted byu/rleach1001
- 7 days ago
- [Crisis Spoilers] Star City
- spoiler
- Star City 2046 can't be the same Earth featured in Legends of Tomorrow. I know Sara said the Waverider jumped dimensions, but she has to be wrong. In Legends of Tomorrow S1E6, Sara meets future Oliver and he says:
- "30 years ago, you and Ray hopped on a spaceship, and you never came back."
- In Crisis Part One, they meet alternate Oliver, and he says:
- "You're dead. You... you went down with the Gambit."
- So, Earth-16 is an alternate Earth that's very similar to Star City 2046, but Sara actually died on the Gambit. She never got on the Amazo, joined the League, or came back to Star City. Star City 2046 was a potential future for Earth-1 that was avoided.
NEXT EPISODE
Link to Promo: https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/12/09/crisis-on-infinite-earths-spoilers-part-3-trailer-watch-online-the-flash/(Date: 9 Dec 2019)
Episode: “Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 3” [Flash: Season 6 Episode 9]
Air Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2019
Summary:Pariah enlists Black Lightning to help stop the Anti-Monitor after Flash-90 Shares what he learned from his battle in 'Elseworlds'. With the help of Black Lightning, Barry, Cisco and Killer Frost come up with a plan that could save them all. Meanwhile, Iris has a heart-to-heart with Ryan Choi while Oliver and Diggle return to an old familiar stomping ground.
Director: David McWhirter
Writers: Lauren Certo & Sterling Gates / Eric Wallace (story by)
IMDB link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9641254/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt
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