Georgia politician Stacey Abrams and her former campaign manager Lauren Groh-Wargo, now the co-founders of Fair Fight Action, talk with Recode's Kara Swisher and Vox.com's Ezra Klein at the 2019 Code Conference.

In this episode: Abrams’ campaign for governor and what Fair Fight does; how Abrams defines the importance of voting rights; is America a democracy? “Yes, but…”; why Abrams doesn’t use the term “stolen election”; the Republican Party’s voter suppression habits; the problem with companies boycotting Georgia over anti-abortion laws; why “Georgia is the future” of America; the future of elections and how politicians should approach them; will Abrams run for anything in 2020?; identity politics and diversity in the Democratic Party; how has tech impacted politics?; why regulation is not a punishment; and the fallacy of Democrats abandoning the “center”.

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