On Episode 152 of You, Me, Empathy, Norm Leonard and I explore how creativity can help lighten the burden of depression, our collective love of dark humor and its capacity for subversion, Norm’s early literary influences, and the origin story of Norm’s brand new fiction adventure-fantasy podcast for the whole family, Cobbler’s Gulch!

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