Historian Gerald Horne (https://www.uh.edu/class/history/facu...) talks about his latest book, of which he's written over three dozen, "The Dawning of the Apocalypse: The Roots of Slavery, White Supremacy, Settler Colonialism, and Capitalism in the Long Sixteenth Century" (https://monthlyreview.org/product/the...) Along the way, we discuss racism, class-consciousness, Trumpism, 2020, The Supreme Court and the creation of White Supremacy.