Jemele Hill & Cari Champion Talk betting on yourself, leaving ESPN, and their new VICE show Sticking to Sports.  Jamele Hill  Cari Champion. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to speaking to you all. And congratulations on your new show.  Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for even being interested in talking to us  I was so excited when I got the call that I was going to be able to talk to you all because I'd already seen you posted on your Instagram. Post the preview and I was like oh my god, this is gonna be good. ...shenanigans shenanigans. I hope we live up to the teasers that they've been able to put out so we're doing our best. Yeah, they made us look funnier than we may. you're gonna live up to it. Well, I like to start every interview by asking What is something that you're grateful for? A great way to start an interview, okay. I'm praying I'm Amen. I am grateful for Believe it or not the year 2020 Hmm, I'm grateful for the way in which it has made America the world, pay attention to things that matter. Um, it's very easy to be like 2020 is perfect vision but I feel no one can hide any longer under the guise of being a good person or being a part of a movement that they really aren't a part of. I think although I think that we are removing all the the disingenuous people out of society and we're seeing who people are for who in their true state admit to me, I'd rather know what I'm dealing with and not so for me, grateful for that education. No matter how painful it's been, no matter how hard it's been. I am grateful for that education. This year has been beautiful for me professionally. I walked away and jumped off the ledge of ESPN and decided to trust myself and bet on myself. And it has paid dividends huge. And so this year has been nothing but great for me. I know it sounds horrible to say, but really just looking at it from a big picture, I just see that in society, we have to be at a better place. And we're exposing all of these fakes. And we are letting people who have authentic voices and real true good hearts push through and be elevated. And that's what we need. I think I'm grateful for the season. I mean, because more than I guess, the year because it could be beyond just 2020. I'm grateful for this season in life. You know, I think a lot of black women in particular are stepping into their power. I think we're reflective of being to black women who are stepping into theirs. As Carrie mentioned, she not to me, it feels like you left ESPN like years ago, and it's only been a few months. Yeah. And she got all the jobs, all the jobs, all the jobs, right. So there's something really significant about what she said about betting on yourself. I've been in this season now, since I left ESPN and I left in 2018, where I've just taken all these different chances and risks, and really been very vigilant about not compromising who I am to have work and been very thankful that I don't have to do that, too, in order to work and work abundantly in this business. And so I think that's a big reason why we're at this point right now with this with this show is like we both did the same thing, and that we both bet on ourselves. We both were looking for a situation where we can have maximum autonomy, autonomy, and that will respect our creativity will be more of a collaboration, then I'm working for you that kind of situation.