Blackness, stuttering, music, and religion are all complex topics in their own right. Yet, Jerome Ellis combines them beautifully in his work, like when he uses academic and theoretical language to parse out the relationship between blackness and music.In the second part of our interview with Ellis, we talk more about his album, The Clearing, and how he draws out the beauty of stuttering through various mediums – history to show the connection between music and blackness, and comparing waiting birds and trees to the unknowingness of stuttering.“If I were...if I were repeating the first syllable of a book title than they…then [people] would be less likely to hang up because they would hear like, and they might be like – Oh, he's stuttering right now – but, because [my] glottal block so often sounds silent…people don't know what's happening, and…it's been so painful for so many years, but I gradually I’ve been able [to see there is something important there] in the not knowing.”Other topics include:How Blackness and stuttering play next to each otherHistorical knot of blackness and music Mosaics of differenceVoluntary and involuntary stutteringHerons and stutteringHonoring the mystery and beauty of the stutterStuttering and the state of unknowing Tress and stutteringGlottal block stuttering vs. repeating syllables in TV and film“Stuttering is an occasion to be present in complex thought”Mentioned in the episode:“We do not live single-issue lives” - Audrey LordeHistorian Saidiya HartmanTrack 1, 2, 4, 6, and 8 of The ClearingHistory of the word grallatorialThis American Life episode featuring Jerome“The Cloud of Unknowing”Jerome’s forthcoming projectsUpcoming Live Performances:April 10, 2022: Rewire Festival in The Hague, NetherlandsMay 7, 2022: XJAZZ! Festival in Berlin, GermanyJuly 2022: Performances at Haus Der Kunst in Munich, GermanyBE PART OF THE SHOW:Rate this pod - https://ratethispodcast.com/proudstutter Have a question or comment - Leave a voicemail for Maya & Cynthia at (415) 964-0140 - this is a voicemail-only line, so we promise you won't have to talk to someone in person!Be a guest on the show - we would love to talk with you! Send us an email at info@proudsutter.com.FOLLOW PROUD STUTTER & ITS CREATORS:Maya’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mayasharona Cynthia’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/cynthia-l-chin/ Podcast website - https://www.proudstutter.com SUPPORT US:Donate - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/proudstutter Buy cute merch - https://www.proudstutter.com/shop Sign up for Proud Stutter updates, news & eventsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/proud-stutter/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy