Director/Photographer Sam Jones returns to the podcast to talk about some of the amazing projects he has worked on since his first appearance on the show back in 2019, like his documentary film about Tony Hawk "Until The Wheels Fall Off", his documentary film on singer songwriter Jason Isbell "Running with our Eyes Closed", and his 6 part series showcasing the Smartless Podcast tour, all available to stream on Max. During our conversation we talk about how being a present conversationalist has helped him to be able to uncover the story inside a story while working on documentary films, how his passion for learning new things in his own life has translated to the characters he wants to showcase, the new film he's been working on over the last 4 years, and what he's learned about a life well live through hundreds of converations with some of the leading creatives, athletes, and innovators in the world. To Learn More About Sam Jones Visit: https://www.samjonespictures.com And Follow Him On Instagram At: https://www.instagram.com/samjonespictures/ To Learn More About Visual Revolutionary Visit: https://www.visualrevolutionary.com And Follow On Instagram At: https://www.instagram.com/visualrevolutionary/