The Women in Business Expedition is underway in Pakistan and we couldn't be more delighted! This week Julia speaks to Simi, a much requested guest from our expedition members in Pakistan, about the 4 Es, which ones resonate with her the most. Simi discusses how her understanding of 'motherness' has been deeply shaped by her grandfather and how she uses this essence to guide intergenerational team. She encourages women to embrace their woman-ness, to find strength in their femininity and be truly authentic. She speaks of a unique framing of equality as not an equality of sameness but an equality of difference. While she advocates for women to use tools from their cultural contexts in the form of the sacred, she equally emphasises the need to jettison the patriarchal trapping we may fall prey to, for example, the pressures woman face from their in-laws and extended family in the South Asian Context. With her years of experience across two continent, Simi brings to life the wisdom of lived experience and the fire to you people seek to bring change in the World.About the Guest:Simi Kamal is Chairperson of the Hisaar Foundation, Pakistan. Educated at the University of Cambridge, she has 37 years of experience in the water sector, environment, climate change, food security, women’s empowerment, gender equality, inclusive development and poverty alleviation.