Philip Martin and Alan Gamlen join Democracy Sausage to talk migration – the politics, narratives and possible solutions. From international student caps to housing, many areas of policy are connected to migration. But what is driving our increasing isolationism post-pandemic – economic factors or powerful narratives about being left behind?  How can we adjust our international governance of migration to meet humanitarian needs?  And is it possible to manage migration from the middle ground and avoid knee-jerk policies?  On this episode of Democracy Sausage, Emeritus Professor Philip Martin and Professor Alan Gamlen join Professor Mark Kenny to talk about dealing with the complex problems of migration and its impacts. Alan Gamlen is the Director of the Migration Hub at the ANU School of Regulation and Global Governance.    Philip Martin is Professor Emeritus of Agricultural and Resource Economics at University of California, Davis. He edits Rural Migration News, has served on several US federal commissions, worked on UN agencies and testifies frequently before Congress on labour and migration issues.   Mark Kenny is the Director of the ANU Australian Studies Institute. He came to the University after a high-profile journalistic career including six years as chief political correspondent and national affairs editor for The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times.  Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Google Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. We’d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to democracysausage@anu.edu.au.  This podcast is produced by The Australian National University.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.