Indy Johar, an architect who specialises in re-imagining institutions and envisioning different economies and relationships, argues that we are vastly underestimating the scale of the challenges we face. According to Indy, the next few decades will completely redesign everything around us, including our material world such as our clothes, food, and furniture, as well as some of our concepts, including those of value, pricing, ownership, and work. He sees us on the threshold of a structural transition that will fundamentally change society and our relationship with energy. Indy believes that civilisation is coming to the end of a 400-year-old vision of our world based on Cartesian dualism, where object and subject have been separated, and we are beginning to witness a re-entangling of the world around us in terms of interdependencies and externalities. Indy predicts that this transition will lead to a reassessment of philosophical, material, social, risk, and costs, bringing about a new vision of the world that is more interconnected and holistic.  

Indy Johar is an architect and the co-founder of Dark Matter Laboratories, an organisation dedicated to developing new support frameworks for collaborative system change.

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